Is something not right?

Do Republicans have their priorities straight?

  • Yes, continuing the policy's of the past 8 years will fix this mess.

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • No, they need to stop worrying about who we're bombing and start concentrating on our economy

    Votes: 10 83.3%
  • Total voters
    12
Quote from Sandybestdog:



They need to get back to basics. They can start by enacting policy�s that provide the most fundamental thing that drives America�s growth. Jobs. People want jobs. Good jobs. Not crap jobs. Heal our jobs market and you�ll heal America.
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OK, but how would you create new jobs? getting rid of immigrants won't entirely solve the problem, people would have to accept lower wages for certain jobs.
Many of the jobs created in the last few years were only possible due the availability of credit... Americans were spending like there was no tomorrow, businesses were growing, new stores everywhere (not to mention the huge mansions for pretty much everyone).
Now the party is over, it's time to pay off the debt....and that means there is no need for 3 Starbucks in 1/4 mile ratio (NoVa)....it will get bad before it gets better.
 
Quote from NeoRio1:
Hey Sandy I agree that fiscal Republicans have been worthless for the last 8 years. Bush was no fiscal republican and you can see that easily with the debt.

You point out the stupidity of republicans letting the debt go higher and higher and now all of a sudden they are against it.

Would it also be fair to point out the stupidity of democrats by attacking the spending of Bush and now all of a sudden embracing Obama's big spending?

I think your point is one very big piece of evidence that suggests the politicians we have in Washington are worthless.

The republicans are going from a wrong to a right.

The democrats are going from a right to a wrong.
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What I mean is this stimulus package is by no means ideal. But after the trillions in bailouts given to financial institutions that are arguably not even good for America, why shouldn’t the little guy get $500? Corporations for the most part have done quite well in the past 8 years, but the little guy has gotten absolutely hammered. I don’t support any of the bailouts except maybe the car company’s. For once, company’s are going broke not because of anything fundamentally wrong with the company, but mostly because they pay their employees too much. Imagine that. In the age of pay cuts, layoffs, and outsourcing, there are some company’s that still actually pay their employees too much. Let all of the financials go under. They are evil company’s that prey on the public. I can’t wait for BAC to go under.

I’m having a hard time finding the exact payouts in the bill, but I also heard that a lot of it goes to help some state governments. We often forget about them. Unlike the Feds, they have to pass balanced budgets. They can’t endlessly borrow and print money. They provide so much more than the Feds, while taxing a whole lot less. Although at times it seems they spend just as recklessly. Here in Maryland, they passed the largest tax increase in history a year ago. Last year they decided they still couldn’t spend enough and put a ballot initiative to allow slot machines to “pay for education.” I voted against it, but it passed. But it seems rediculus to ask that the state governments tax less, meanwhile the Feds tax like crazy and it seems don’t do anything for that.

So yea, I’ll support this one last stimulus. After this, no more stimulus, no more bailouts. We have to hunker down and slowly get out of this mess.
 
Quote from karol88:
OK, but how would you create new jobs? getting rid of immigrants won't entirely solve the problem, people would have to accept lower wages for certain jobs.
Many of the jobs created in the last few years were only possible due the availability of credit... Americans were spending like there was no tomorrow, businesses were growing, new stores everywhere (not to mention the huge mansions for pretty much everyone).
Now the party is over, it's time to pay off the debt....and that means there is no need for 3 Starbucks in 1/4 mile ratio (NoVa)....it will get bad before it gets better.
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You’re right that most of the jobs and growth in the past were due to borrowed money and inflation and deficit spending. It was completely fake. We have not had a legitimate jobs boom since the tech era.

How do you create jobs? It’s pretty simple you have to find ways to take from the rich and give it to the middle and lower class. Think about it this way. For every million dollars Warren Buffett has, that could have provided 20 people with with a good $50,000 job for one year. Now obviously the Socialistic approach won’t work. That would encourage non production and hoarding and evasion. So in the end you just need more competition to hold the company’s accountable. Does anybody think we really have that now? We live in an era where you don’t compete with the other guy, you buy them out or merge. In another year or two BAC and JPM will own practically every financial institution. This is not good for America.

In the past 8 years do you think it’s gotten harder or easier to start a business and compete with the rich? Competition is a thing of the past. Look at Bill Gates. He made billions by selling the crappiest software that nobody likes. Yet what can be done about it. It’s so hard to compete with him. If you ever did pose a legitimate threat, he’d just buy you out. If we continue our current policy’s, we will go back to pre 1800’s where there was not middle class. You were either rich or poor and you stayed like that.

Oh and Starbucks is generally a decent place to work. They just opened another store here in Gaithersburg. I guess that makes 5 in a 2 mile area. Closing those stores will cost jobs. Every 3 months, employees are able to purchase stock at a 15% discount off of the price at the beginning or end of the quarter, whichever is lower. Although, unless you dumped it right away, that has turned out as a losing strategy.
 
I really don't see anywhere in the Constitution where it says it's the Feds' job to stimulate the economy... they are supposed to deliver the mail and protect the borders... both of which they suck at anyhow.......
 
Quote from Sandybestdog:


I’m having a hard time finding the exact payouts in the bill, but I also heard that a lot of it goes to help some state governments. We often forget about them.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html

Seems like quite a bit of non emergency pork to me. I'd give the repubs a passing grade for standing against this one. The bill was going to pass with or without them. Seems to me, and it's unfortunate, that they are only able to stick to their values when they are in the minority.
 
Quote from Fractals 'R Us:
I really don't see anywhere in the Constitution where it says it's the Feds' job to stimulate the economy... they are supposed to deliver the mail and protect the borders... both of which they suck at anyhow.......
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Well we know who the one is that voted for option 1 on the poll is.

Yes, well the same people who wrote the Constitution, wrote that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable right, among these life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But yet that author owned slaves and denied them the same rights for which they were then fighting for. So I guess its flexible.

BTW, I have sold more than 2000 items online. The post office is very efficient. Yesterday we got an ice storm. Schools were closed for 2 days, but the mail was 30 minutes early.
 
How do you create jobs? It’s pretty simple you have to find ways to take from the rich and give it to the middle and lower class. Think about it this way. For every million dollars Warren Buffett has, that could have provided 20 people with with a good $50,000 job for one year.

So THAT's how jobs are created! :D
 
Quote from Sandybestdog:

Well we know who the one is that voted for option 1 on the poll is.

Yes, well the same people who wrote the Constitution, wrote that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable right, among these life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But yet that author owned slaves and denied them the same rights for which they were then fighting for. So I guess its flexible.

BTW, I have sold more than 2000 items online. The post office is very efficient. Yesterday we got an ice storm. Schools were closed for 2 days, but the mail was 30 minutes early.
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So you got your junk mail early.. I'm proud of you!! Try shutting off the junk mail to save some trees... the Post Orifice can't do it, it would reduce work for union people. Where in the constitution does it say that Unions are to dictate to the Federal Government what they deliver via the mail?
 
the fed govt job IS to keep this union of states together and functioning as the predominate world power.


much as i despise metaphors that don't apply..
you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
 
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