Quote from thirst:
well Truth, I am a real trader, go look for my post as I recently posted an outrageous trade and am currently on an outrageous trade (for everyone else). I am echoing the same sentiment that everyone else is saying, so you probably should try to keep an open mind.
Quote from TruthSeeker247:
I can devise mathematical models that work well on paper too. Guess what? If you don't have the balls to pull the trigger, YOU DON"T BELONG IN THIS GAME.
Just something to think about for Mowery and his buddy TraderDragon.
Quote from TruthSeeker247:
I'm not asking whether I will be successful as a trader; this is a given yes!
Thanks for your reply [/B]
Quote from TruthSeeker247:
But these guys are not real traders. One guy here is sitting on 200k too scared to trade.
Quote from thirst:
truthseeker,
Having persistence and courage isn't necessarily going to mean you will succeed. There have been many many people who had the courage to make the trade and never amount to anything. THere is a common theme with these folks - they don't try to learn. You are right, you got to risk in order to gain the reward. But you also got to know what you are doing. Obviously you weren't very good at the 30 year market, and without even finding that out, you went to your max leverage immediately. Do you find that to be a problem?
It would be different if you've been trading that market for a long time, and you were good at it and all of a sudden decided to swing for the fences and were wrong. That is a mistake in itself, but that doesn't mean you will fail, so long as you learned from the experience and understand that in order to succeed at the game, you must remain in play - when you swing for the fences, you can get struck out.
When it's all said and done, you got to become more humble and listen to some of these people. They are trying to help you and all you are doing is being dismissive and letting your ego take over. Keep that ego at the door.
Also: You career is not over because you haven't started it. You've got to learn what it takes to succeed and succeed at it before you call it a career.

Quote from traderdragon:
Wow, you really are a complete idiot huh?
Could you please show me where I claimed to have 200K???? I only claimed to have *more* than 200K, but never specified how much more.
Could you please show me where im scared to trade? I make 30-50 trades a day. Last year, about 8000 trades and millions of shares.
If you cant even read correctly, you surely have no chance trading the markets.
Quote from traderdragon:
Even with 200K and 20% a year return, thats only 40K year. Not much.
Do you know how many pro funds pull 20% a year consistently?
Not very many.
Again, I ask you, how do you expect to pull 20% a year starting out? You wont. Drop your ego at the door and open your ears because your own post makes it obvious you havent a clue what you are doing.
A trader with a 200K account making 20% a year works out to be $363 a day, assuming 220 trading days a year.
Quote from TruthSeeker247:
I do call trading my career. Suppose I take $30,000 to open a deli or something. Let's say after the first year I've lost $23,000 due to a lack of business. Do i then say I am not a deli owner? I am a trader; that is my career.
My mistake was with cutting losses and trading too big size. I've learned my lesson about trading too much size and I am currently working on cutting losses short.
Persistence and courage are necessary but not sufficient ingredients of the successful trader. Without those two qualities, one never will be successful as a trader. Obviously, there has to be a certain flexibility that allows for the learning from one's mistakes. Iwould go so far as to say that the anyone with the following characteristics can be a successful trader:
1) Persistence
2) Courage
3) Enough humility and flexibility to learn from one's mistakes
You have those three, you won't fail as a trader. You may lose battles along the way but you will succeed, ultimately.
That's my take on things. Thanks