Is it too late?

[Lobster]

Quote from John Q. Public:



who helps you tie yourshoes in the morning? I refuse to believe that you do it on your own.

Actually, you are right about that one. I don't have a single pair of shoes left that would need to be tied.

However, my master's thesis is about knot theory, so whenever I do have to tie my shoes, I can just look up how to do it. That's what I do whenever I have to wear a tie. Which reminds me, I do have one pair of dress shoes left over from the time when I used to partake in the rat race. I just don't wear them anymore.

 

[John Q. Public]

Quote from axeman:

"did anyone say there was a problem?
did anyone use the word "exploited" as a bad word? exploitation can be bad, but it is not a bad word. "

JQ earlier: "But just try getting rich unless it's on the back of some lowly worker."


You obviously think this is a BAD kind of exploitation, so don't
try to give us this crap now. Your back pedaling.



"you seem a little touchy on the subject.
having a frank understanding about how are system works and what it is does not equate to communism. but shouting "commie" is a favored tactic of throes who would prefer that the conversation not be held."

Not avoiding anything. But if the label fits....
You sound just like a marxist.



"the interesting thing is that not one of you are "true capitalists". you are working class people, working class people in denial. not one of you would be welcome at a "captains of industry" cocktail party."

Apparently you have no idea what a capitalist IS.
Being a capitalist does NOT require that your are mega wealthy.
Since when was this a requirement???
I was a 5 year old capitalist selling lemonade!



"go on, start your own business. hire three people, or three-hundred, and you will still be a working class slob, at the mercy of a class of people who don't consider you fit to spit on."


Mercy??? How so? Explain your delusion.



"they will work you to death, sell you inferior goods, cheat you in commerce, send your kids off to war, and laugh behind your back - but you stand up for them."


Hogwash? WHO is working me to death when im working
for myself? ME.

You seem to have this "EVIL THEY" issue. THEY will get you.
THEY will spit on you. THEY will work you to death. THEY will cheat you.

WHO are these mysterious people im standing up for?



"I want to live in a free and proud America. where a man is truly equal. where he has real opportunity. where he can truly be rewarded for his labor and ingenuity. but increasingly I live in a nation where that is but an illusion, where the backbone of this nation is being sold down the river. and that saddens me. it ought to anger you. "


I want to live in a free america too.
Where im free to start a business, where people come to
work for ME by their own free will, and where some marxist then
doesn't accuse me of exploitation because im "getting rich
on the backs of lowly workers".



peace

axeman

ax, I am pleased to hear that you want to live in a free America. Free to do as you please. Free to start your own business, and live your dreams. I just hope that you do not dream of opening a grocery store next to a Wal-Mart, or a burger joint. Nor your own bank, or a filling station, or pharmacy. Just to name a few long lost American dreams. Lost to the "big boys" who will crush you and your dreams.

I did not realize that longing for an America where a man could open a neighborhood business and contribute to his community while providing for his family was a marxist concept. I apologize for being wrong.

You say that no one is working you to death, nor cheating you, nor lying to you - how about your father, your brother, a cousin, maybe an uncle, or a friend, a neighbor. Are they all exempt from what millions of other Americans experience?

ax, you somehow think that because you "trade" a small account, that you have escaped, that you are "one of them now". You aren't, but there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. So be it. If you are like most, one day you and your dreams will be crushed. But I am sure that your new found friends will bail you out. So I guess there is no reason to remember where you came from.

 

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[ges]

Quote from John Q. Public:

ax, I am pleased to hear that you want to live in a free America. Free to do as you please. Free to start your own business, and live your dreams. I just hope that you do not dream of opening a grocery store next to a Wal-Mart, or a burger joint. Nor your own bank, or a filling station, or pharmacy. Just to name a few long lost American dreams. Lost to the "big boys" who will crush you and your dreams.

I've been reading more US history lately and biographies of founding fathers. If you could plop down Jefferson, Adams, Washington, or any of them into modern America, can you imagine what they might think. Surprised, amazed? And probably apalled. Consider Jefferson's vision of what America could be and what we've become.

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[Kevmeister]

Quote from pspr:



I vote Republican because I can't stand those whinny ass, stupid, lilly livered, freeloading, narrow minded, self serving, idiot, money spending, pork loving, fancy talking, two timing, lying, immoral, short sighted, wealth grabbing, pea brained, damn Democrats. There; did I leave anything out?

Wally

I resent being called two timing

 

[pspr]

Quote from Kevmeister:



I resent being called two timing

Strike that one just for you.

Wally

 

[ges]

Quote from Ditch:



75% of all wealth wordwide, is stacked away in tax havens, that is what your upper class do with their money.

Are you kidding? Look at all the real world examples of what the rich and powerful do with their wealth and power. Altruism is for poor people. Enlightened self-interest is a myth.

g

 

[ges]

Quote from pspr:



I vote Republican because I can't stand those whinny ass, stupid, lilly livered, freeloading, narrow minded, self serving, idiot, money spending, pork loving, fancy talking, two timing, lying, immoral, short sighted, wealth grabbing, pea brained, damn Democrats. There; did I leave anything out?

Wally

Ah, good Wally, this just needs a little editing. Just substitute Republican for Democrat at the end there.

Really, there is nothing on the left to match the shrill, whining screech of the right-wing haranguers on the AM radio dial. Obviously this is a growth industry right now, just like televangelism was a while back. They are all a bunch of Junior Goebbels.

Ed Abbey once said that all conservatives are ass-kissers by definition. True.

g

 

[maxpi]

Quote from John Q. Public:





as for the former Soviet Union, and God forgive me, but I don't really understand how they got in to the conversation, I think you will find that it was mismanagement, corruption, and misapplication of recourses that brought them down.

Sounds like California

 

[pspr]

Quote from ges:



Ah, good Wally, this just needs a little editing. Just substitute Republican for Democrat at the end there.

Really, there is nothing on the left to match the shrill, whining screech of the right-wing haranguers on the AM radio dial. Obviously this is a growth industry right now, just like televangelism was a while back. They are all a bunch of Junior Goebbels.

Ed Abbey once said that all conservatives are ass-kissers by definition. True.

g

ges, get enough dems in power and you won't have any free markets to trade.

And that is "Ass Kickers" not "Ass Kissers". You got it backwards.