Is it still rolling out if you change strike prices?

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IronFist

Currently I am in this situation with SNDL.

I sold some 1.5 puts for .20.

Now they are at .40. I was going to buy them back and sell them again further, but in order to do this and be able to sell them at .40, I have to go a few contracts into the future, and I don't wish to. In other words, I want to sell the next contract, NOT weeks from now.

But I discovered, I can sell half as many of the 2 put on the next contract for .80. So this would be no change in price. Is there a reason not to do this? Will this level require a larger amount of movement to actually make money, making it not a great deal?
 
You are changing your position size if you change the quantity. Net result will be that you are rolling some of the contracts and letting some of them expire ITM (you'll get assigned on expiring ones).
Also note that there is basically zero premium in the higher strike options. For example, the $2 1APR put is $0.80/$0.90, current share price is $1.15 so the intrinsic value on the option (splitting bid/ask) is exactly equal to the option price. You may as well just buy shares and save money on commission.
 
None would assign. I would buy to close the entire 1.5 put position and open half the position at a higher strike price.

Previously I was going to take assignment on them regardless and write calls against them, but the prices on calls are nonsense. I literally have to go 3 weeks out to get 5 cents on them.
 
You might as well let the position get assigned today then next week you can place a sell limit at 1.50.
You have no premium in the 2 or 2.5 so makes no sense to sell them. The spread will eat up any minimal premium in the near-term options.
Your risk is the same if you own the stock or sell the puts. Why sell a put if no premium?

***Have to run so no response. Good luck. :-)
 
IronFist said:
Might roll out to 9APRIL instead, could buy/sell for .40 each, net same minus commissions
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Selling the Apr9 put for .40 doesn't make sense. There's only .03 premium with stock @ 1.13.
You sold the put for .20 so you could break even by letting the stock get put to you then place a sell limit @ 1.30.

Comparison:
1-Sell 1.5 Put for .40 has max. loss $110 and max profit of $40. (margin=$150 w/o cash receipt ..... margin=$110 w/cash receipt)
2-Owning the stock @ 1.13 has max. loss $113 and max profit unlimited. (margin=$57)
 
Wish I had read that before rolling position. Oh well, I'm totally learning.

Took forever to get the transaction to go through. I tried to buy APRIL 2 1.50 puts but they were .35, so I put in an order for .40 but it never filled. So then I changed it to APRIL 9 1.50 puts, which got filled. The MARCH 26 puts bought for .39... so I made 1 cent... minus commissions.

I was going to let the shares get assigned anyway and sell calls against them but there were no calls that would have been profitable unless I went deep into the future.
 
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