Is it possible to day trade $20 million+

Quote from domi93:

BTW I read that daytrader Mark Rosalbo from NJ Was Daytrading 50k-100k shares of QQQs and Spiders, the same article said that he made 1,5 millions dollar last year..

part of the article:

Mark Rosalbo trades barefoot. That is just one of the benefits of trading from his suburban New Jersey home. He has an office in his attic equipped with multiple flat-screen monitors that he uses to place trades and analyze markets. The benefit, he says, is time spent with his family. Not being the typical type A personality, he doubts he would thrive on the trading floor. But upstairs, Rosalbo does just fine.

The quiet atmosphere he created belies that on any given day Rosalbo can account for as much as 30% of the off-hour volume in the QQQ, the ...



www.futuresmag.com/library/2003/09/03_0903soundoff.pdf
I know Mark Rosalbo. He is a great guy. I have not seen him in the last couple years. He traded incredible volume that I have never seen in my life. He is also very savvy with the stocks that can move the SPY and QQQ. So he does considerable size after or before hours.
Can you send the full article as link does not work.
 
Quote from silk:

Anyone think it is possible to day trade stocks (not futures and close out positions by end of day) with buying power in excess of $20 million?

It can be frustrating to close out of 20,000+ share positions at end of day without slippage. So unless you are trading S&P100 names where there isn't much money to be made, I would think it would be a great liquidity hurdle to day trade stocks with greater than $15 or $20 million buying power. The good day trading stocks are usually under $10 billion market cap and often do not accomadate 30,000 share positions. Some do, but not day in day out.

So therefore I assume that virtually nobody is daytrading with $20 and $30 million buying power in stocks. Am I wrong?

So if you have $30 million+ with which to day trade, you won't be day trading stocks. I guess currencies or futures would be your only bet. I guess thats why hedge funds are all in Spyders and futures.

yes you can daytrade those numbers with the QQQQ and SPY allday.

Personally I have over 10 million in BP. However, I would never use such a large amount.
 
Quote from Businessman:

Why would someone like Mark Rosalbo trade the QQQ and SPY
over the mini futures.

Whats the advantage of SPY over ES?
He does kind of arbitrage with QQQ, SPY, DIA. He also has limit orders in AMEX to take advantage of the specialist prints.
His real strength is after or before hours in which he can take advantage of the mispricings. He is also very succesful in trading the stock news with SPY, QQQ and DIA.
Bottomline I think he has a better feel of SPY compared to ES..
 
If you have 20million to day trade why bother. If you do not have nothing else to do I take 200k and put it in a direct access broker or open up an account at an online casino.
 
I have 8 figures in BP and have used it all many times. I do not have to close out the positions so this is more 2-day than day-trading.

One Friday the SPY ran up 5 pts after hours and I was able to short it while buying a basket of large cap stocks at or near last sale.

I typically carry positions in the mid 7 figure range, but they are hedged in some way.
 
Quote from bestfriend:

I have 8 figures in BP and have used it all many times. I do not have to close out the positions so this is more 2-day than day-trading.

One Friday the SPY ran up 5 pts after hours and I was able to short it while buying a basket of large cap stocks at or near last sale.

I typically carry positions in the mid 7 figure range, but they are hedged in some way.

I can't recall any time that the SPY "ran up 5 points". What date would that be?

OldTrader
 
Quote from silk:

Anyone think it is possible to day trade stocks (not futures and close out positions by end of day) with buying power in excess of $20 million?

It can be frustrating to close out of 20,000+ share positions at end of day without slippage. So unless you are trading S&P100 names where there isn't much money to be made, I would think it would be a great liquidity hurdle to day trade stocks with greater than $15 or $20 million buying power. The good day trading stocks are usually under $10 billion market cap and often do not accomadate 30,000 share positions. Some do, but not day in day out.

So therefore I assume that virtually nobody is daytrading with $20 and $30 million buying power in stocks. Am I wrong?

So if you have $30 million+ with which to day trade, you won't be day trading stocks. I guess currencies or futures would be your only bet. I guess thats why hedge funds are all in Spyders and futures.

To do that amount it takes good coordination.

I do not want to post publically on this but here is a good scenario to consider that I am involved in.

You need to use a boutique rather than a regualr type brokerage.

You will be using several accounts most likely and that calls for being fair among the accounts.

I limit a money stream in one equity to 100,000 shares (think 30 dollar stock).

So now you can see a distribution of capital and how several streams gets you to 20 mil.

For the trading, there is an other trade off. I have gone to position trading for making money and i trade the most frequent cycles of good magnitude. This means 6 to 8 days for a hold and a return of 10% net out of a possible 20%.

To move in or out, your account manager will give you his # and let you go to the trading desk directly in the boutique. there you request that the 100k shares be "bleed" in or out by prearrangement. My simple rule is: use normally tradied block size and always have the tab running at 10% of cummulative volume for the day.

I know that you want an intraday suggestion and i am offering you a diffrent scenario. I believe that 10% every 6 days by rotation of ins and outs (6 streams @ 3 mil each) is easier than 1.7% per day, day in and day out for all of 20 mil. It comes down to a volume constraint in the part of the market than has high money velocity for making money.
 
so basically, you don't think it can be done. i don't think anyone disagrees that you can swing trade 20 million, but you provide some interesting insights on moving that size in relatively few stocks.
 
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