is it possible to cut in line on the bid/ask que

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Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam. 'Cause sunbeams are not made like me.
Don't expect me to cry for all the reasons you had to die. Don't ever ask your
love of me.

Don't expect me to lie.
Don't expect me to cry.
Don't expect me to die for thee.

Jesus don't want me for a sunbeam. 'Cause sunbeams are not made like me.
Don't expect me to cry for all the reasons you had to die. Don't ever ask your
love of me.

Don't expect me to lie.
Don't expect me to cry.
Don't expect me to die.
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inset - calm down, it's a Sunday night afterall. I found Jack's posts interesting. No he didn't directly answer the OP's question. But he's not completely off-topic by talking about his mechanics with regards to the OP's concern of orders "cutting in line".
 
Quote from jack hershey:

My orders are filled instantly.

This is because I am in the market all of the time and I feel it is necessary to do a trade at the right time.

You are doing trades at the "right" price.

For me the price is relatively unimportant compared to the time I trade.

Entering and exiting is less effective, in my opinion, than being in the market on the right side of a trade all of the time.

When I look at a wall on the DOM and see price coming to it, I know price is not going to go through the wall. therefore I change sides of the market each time price comes to a wall on the DOM.

You may be putting on an order on the other side of a wall and waiting for price to get across the wall after it has got to the wall reversed, and completed another traverse back to the place where your order has been put. for comparison, I probably did a trade at the wall (reversed, went away from the wall to another wall and reversed there, and travelled back to where your order was filled. we would now be in and on the same side of the market going along making a profit in parallel. But in the time before you entered after you placed the order, I did two reversals at one profit or another each.

I cut in line all the time. There is no other way to trade, in my opinion. When I need to reverse, I reverse insatntly except when I can only get partial fills. All the partial fills are also done instantly. I time the partial fills so I do not disturb the market and I do them according to whether the market is in an even or odd harmonic.

You may wish to take a look at how the market operates. Many people put on limit orders. Other people take those orders by cutting in line opposite the order you are seeing. Look at the T&S to see these opposite orders eating away at the limit orders that are showing.

The minority is always being eaten away. That is because those who are coming into the market on the right side of the market are coming in by cutting in line on the right side of the market.

There are four kinds of games being played on the level II which shows on the DOM. You can see the "effects" of the combination of the games by looking at "pulls" and "adds". They occur on the units, tens, hundreds and thousands levels of the DOM, most often at or near the BBid BAsk values.

You may find as a consequence of these things that your order which is a "sitting" order is passed and you get a bad fill aftr your order becomes one like the kind I use: a market order. At that time you will see yourself on the T&S.

If the orders going through are in the 250 range and I am holding 250, I have to do five 100 markets to reverse my 250 position. So I do since it is not possible to easily do a 500 reverse to change sides with the 250 position. I separate the partials by using a script (code) to space the orders to get immediate fills all depending on which harmonic (odd or even) is in play.

Jack, I commend you on bringing up many fine points. However, what can be done regarding the coaxial linear derivative price study? Should one mechanize the distortion according to Pythagoras' spherical infintesimal model, or would you rather go with the simpler (but more risky) Newtonian low-divergence wavelength method?

More importantly, what can be done regarding the shimmering gobs of smegma running parallel to Uranus?
 
Interesting thread. So much misinformation though. It is important to read the CME rulebook section that pertains to your issue.

The fact is, if you trade the ES, then you are on a price and then time priority. Period... there is no cutting in line or exceptions. There is no conspiracy theory.

The only exception is a calendar spread. During a calendar spread, the SPREAD time stamp takes priority over everything else. You see this most during roll-over week.

For example, let's say there is a spread order in the book since 6 AM CT. The spread is for 16 pts. The order will track each leg of the market and move the orders in each leg to always be in the market. If you are bid at 1531.00 for 10 contracts at 7 AM CT and there were only 500 contracts in front of you, then you take the 501st to 510th position. You then watch as 1531.00 becomes the best bid, but there are now 1100 contracts there. You watch as it trades 600 contracts and you are not filled even though you are 100% certain that you were 501st AT WORST..... What has happened here is that a calendar spread has taken priority over your bid. This is normal and fair to the person who is playing the calendar spread.

Very few non-professionals know about this, but it is the reality of what occurs at the matching engine.

Also, you say that you put in your order 30 mins early.... were you able to see what is bid/offered at that time and how it changed when you entered your order? Probably not... there are only 5 levels of depth and the ES moves more than 1.50 pts per 1/2 hr period. So the question is... how do you know where you are in the queue?

I use X-Trader and it has a feature called Place-In-Que (PIQ). This feature gives you a best guess as to where you are in the queue based on what was there when you put your order in. I have had this feature for a couple of years now in a special API applet that is now standard in X-Trader. It is rarely off except when you put your orders in outside of the quoted prices. In this case, it gives you a worst case guess.

For index futures, all other theories are simply unsubstantiated.... you CAN NOT cut in line. You can only hit the bid to get short or lift the offer to get long in front of someone else's bid/offer.

I hope that helps.

Cheers,
FT71 / TheRock71

PS: The rules are different for pro-rata matched products. In that case, your quantity take priority over time.
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

Jack, I commend you on bringing up many fine points. However, what can be done regarding the coaxial linear derivative price study? Should one mechanize the distortion according to Pythagoras' spherical infintesimal model, or would you rather go with the simpler (but more risky) Newtonian low-divergence wavelength method?

More importantly, what can be done regarding the shimmering gobs of smegma running parallel to Uranus?
LOL
 
Quote from Rearden Metal:

Jack, I commend you on bringing up many fine points. However, what can be done regarding the coaxial linear derivative price study? Should one mechanize the distortion according to Pythagoras' spherical infintesimal model, or would you rather go with the simpler (but more risky) Newtonian low-divergence wavelength method?

More importantly, what can be done regarding the shimmering gobs of smegma running parallel to Uranus?

Uh?

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Where is the love guys?????????????? I do not mind you disagreeing with Jack but calling him names like old fart is just not cool. So much hate fellas ...... Leave him be. He is not twisting your hands and forcing you to follow his strategy. Seriously, there is no need to call him names. Let go of the hate. He is a human being and as far as I know have yet to call people names.

Make LOVE not war!


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just find something to do for christ's sake I can't read your shit anymore [/B]

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Simply put Jack on ignore, then you won't have to read what he writes, unless Pekelo decides to quote him, then you gonna have to put Pekelo on ignore too. Simple!:D
 
Quote from saxon22:

I do not mind you disagreeing with Jack but calling him names like old fart is just not cool...

I NEVER namecall. I simply stated the fact that Jack is old, pathetic and the value of his opinion in this thread worths less than a fart. At least you can light up a fart... :)

You see once I had a similar technical question and he came in and wrote 5000 words ABSOLUTELLY unrelated to my question. Now he did it again. By the way I usually don't read his drivel, but in this case I was curious if he can stay on topic or add something valuable...

He couldn't so he can get the out of here...Not to mention he wasn't just offtopic but provided MISSINFORMATION, by saying he can cut in line....
 
Quote from chewbacca:

i enter my orders on ES somtimes like 30 minutes before my bid/ask gets hit and i still don't get a fill sometimes unless price trades all the way thru the bid/ask....so i ask are people cutting the line in front of me??? is this possible??
in this example your bid was 1543.75, 4m later you saw the line getting smaller from 49 down to 37, but still you didn't get fill, maybe the reason was some guy cutting in front of you and willing to get fill at 1544.
 

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