housing market moves in 10 years cycle. the recent cycle peaked some time in Oct 2007, if history is a guide, then I'd wait until 2012
Quote from drcha:
Here are just three of my real estate experiences:
1) Rent out a condo for a year, then the HOA passes a rule that no one can rent out their condos. Sell the condo in a falling market after it has been vacant for almost a year. Yes, I know the HOA was probably doing something illegal but lawsuits are potentially more expensive than just getting out.
2) Put 300K down on a property, then end up with an unexpected $100K repair two years later. Spend the next eight years of cash flow to fix the problem.
3) Get sued by someone who fell on a property. Yes, I had insurance, but it's still a pain in the ass. And your insurance company can drop you.
Do not make the mistake of looking only at the positives. The problem with real estate is that the negatives are unknown, unexpected, and sometimes very large. That's okay, if you are prepared to deal with them.
If I buy a stock or an option spread, all I can do is lose money, and I already know at the outset exactly how much I can lose. I prefer that scenario.
Quote from peilthetraveler:
Nobody said making money is easy. I know many of you like the idea of trading because you just sit there and push buttons and dont have to fix any toilets (in 25 years I think we only fixed 5 or 6 toilets so it wasnt that bad anyway), but if you want to make money, you will have to work. Real estate does not take as much time out of your life as running a business, but on the days that you do work, its hard.
Quote from sumfuka:
Any homeowners here dealt with section 8 tenants?
Quote from Eliot Hosewater:
If you do decide to become a landlord, NEVER rent to someone you know. My sister bought a couple of houses to rent a few years ago. Her boyfriend talked her into letting his daughter (and her boyfriend) rent one of them. She almost never paid the rent, got pregnant while there and the boyfriend left. Then my sister's boyfriend talked her into letting his son live in one of the other houses. After not receiving rent for a few months she went to the house and discovered someone else living there. The son had subletted the place and he was collecting the rent. She asked to see the washer and dryer and they said "What washer and dryer?" The son had sold them.
Quote from Eliot Hosewater:
If you do decide to become a landlord, NEVER rent to someone you know. My sister bought a couple of houses to rent a few years ago. Her boyfriend talked her into letting his daughter (and her boyfriend) rent one of them. She almost never paid the rent, got pregnant while there and the boyfriend left. Then my sister's boyfriend talked her into letting his son live in one of the other houses. After not receiving rent for a few months she went to the house and discovered someone else living there. The son had subletted the place and he was collecting the rent. She asked to see the washer and dryer and they said "What washer and dryer?" The son had sold them.
Quote from SomeYoungGuy:
An ex girlfriend from long ago had parents who bought a rental with a target for section 8 tenants in the north bay area of California. The county had a huge program for landlords that provided low income housing because it was so expensive to live there at the time that they had to encourage low income housing.
Section 8 tenants ALWAYS have excuses why the rent is late. In the 2.5 years they owned the property, they had 4 tenants and collected exactly 4 rent checks on time. I went to one of the meetings with them that the county put on for section 8 landlords, and the story was the same for everybody. Long on excuses, short on rent checks.