Is God mute?
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So you admit, he isn't talking about Jesus or God.
..so what are you talking about when talking about "the fine tuning of our universe." eh?
A tuner/designer/creator/doing some tuning... wot...like Jesus and God?
Talking about "the fine tuning of our universe" is not talking science. It's talking unfounded presumption.
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Yes I defined morality as right behavior, the oxford dictionary defines it the same with no absolute in front of it , maybe you should get in touch with them as you obviously want to re define the oxford dictionary according to your world view.from your post 584 / my emphasis:
How are you not defining "Right behavior (morality)" -your words- as absolute.
What was handed down? What's being declared true still does not make it true, do you believe to be true everything someone tells you is true ? Do you believe everything and anything? do you believe what Obama say's to be true just because the government declares it ? Lots of people probably didn't even believe what the kings and popes where saying to be true even though they declared it true .
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Your ego is set in stone Stu, you keep referring to who's truth, where truth is clearly defined as not relative to how YOU perceive it, it's called "solipsism" defined as..
"Only the self exists, or can be proved"
"Extreme preoccupation with and indulgence of one's feelings, desires,etc.; egoistic self-absorption".
Okay, so you're confirming morality is defined as right behavior. No absolutes. Otherwise it would be defined as absolute.
erm, you brought truth into all this, not me..
You said.."Right behavior (morality) is defined as actions based in truth"... But that's not how the oxford dictionary defines it! Do you want to define according to your world view!?
Nevertheless, if truth can be so unreliable as you show above, then how come you'd base morality in it!?
It seemed to me you were interested in discussing whether morality can be described as absolute or relative, when all the time apparently you just want to indulge your own version of ego that renders morality as an non-absolute, imperceivable, undefined truth, set in stone.
You give good argument for the essential need of a relativistic morality by that which evolves and is learned rationally, to define and perceive reasonably, what is universally right and true.
you seem to be Creatorphobic.
Admit? I have told you many times... this is not about which Creator.
God and Jesus would be within a subset of possible Creators. We might have no conception of what our real Creator is.
As far as unfounded presumption... you don't appreciate the fine of our standard model of physics the way dozens perhaps the vast majority of out top scientists do.
I have presented you videos and papers from many of the top scientists telling you that our universe appears incredibly fine tuned. So you are wrong about the Tuning being an unfounded presumption.
Admit? I have told you many times... this is not about which Creator.
God and Jesus would be within a subset of possible Creators. We might have no conception of what our real Creator is.
As far as unfounded presumption... you don't appreciate the fine of our standard model of physics the way dozens perhaps the vast majority of out top scientists do.
I have presented you videos and papers from many of the top scientists telling you that our universe appears incredibly fine tuned. So you are wrong about the Tuning being an unfounded presumption.
So you admit, he isn't talking about Jesus or God.
..so what are you talking about when talking about "the fine tuning of our universe." eh?
A tuner/designer/creator/doing some tuning... wot...like Jesus and God?
Talking about "the fine tuning of our universe" is not talking science. It's talking unfounded presumption.
CERN... using the standard model of physics with its constants tuned to over 20 decimal places and one tuned to over 100 we will spend billions of dollars build a large Hadron collider with tiny particles circling around a tube for miles... and when we collide them we will for the first time in history find a higgs boson... the boson which gives particle mass.
stu... the fine tuning is an unfounded presumption.
its is cosmic comedy watching stu try to bullshit his way out of science.
2. have the guts to quote me in context you troll. you are breaking the intent of the policy of this board if not the actual letter of rules here by chopping up my words.
this is what i said... I used words possible and might... within the context of one possible explanation for the fine tunings of our universe.
"God and Jesus would be within a subset of possible Creators. We might have no conception of what our real Creator is. "
stu... the fine tuning is an unfounded presumption.
its is cosmic comedy watching stu try to bullshit his way out of science.
2. have the guts to quote me in context you troll. you are breaking the intent of the policy of this board if not the actual letter of rules here by chopping up my words.
this is what i said... I used words possible and might... within the context of one possible explanation for the fine tunings of our universe.
"God and Jesus would be within a subset of possible Creators. We might have no conception of what our real Creator is. "
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Stop whining. You were quoted in context. Your sentence was all about saying the fine tuning of the universe. That is an unfounded presumption.
All it takes to dispense with any questions of fine tuning is to discover numbers are what they are due naturally to the inevitable outcome of natural forces reacting naturally to environment. poof...goes your unfounded unscientific presumption and the jiggery pokery of some unnatural creator, as if it hadn't already.
Until those answers are found, you are simply sitting your imaginary 'creator' in ignorance of them.
All it takes to dispense with any questions of fine tuning is to discover numbers are what they are due naturally to the inevitable outcome of natural forces reacting naturally to environment. poof...goes your unfounded unscientific presumption and the jiggery pokery of some unnatural creator, as if it hadn't already.
Until those answers are found, you are simply sitting your imaginary 'creator' in ignorance of them.
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