Is God causing Global Warming and is Obama a conspirator in the act?

[jem]

fair enough. I do not need to make any more arguments about just how good salbys work is.

I am glad he tackled the job.

and you obviously understand the science.... kudos to you as well.

Quote from piezoe:

Jem, That's got to be his own work on diffusion to explain the ice core data, otherwise he would have had to cite someone else --I didn't see any citation, did you? And he has interpreted the data in two time regimes, one in which CO2 is conserved, and another longer time regime which is non-conservative. That ties together loose ends. It's elegant and 'ground breaking'. The atmospheric physics people will ultimately pass judgment, one way or the other. Just saying global warming from anthropomorphic CO2 is a lot of hooey gets you no credit. Lot's of people have been saying that and making qualitative arguments --guesses really. You have to back it with a correct detailed analysis, ideally a mathematical model, that creates a coherent explanation consistent with all observations, not just most of them. It seems that's what Salby has done.

 

[futurecurrents]

Salby hasn't even been published in a peer reviewed journal as far as I can tell. His work is crap and goes against common sense. He's just flavor of the week for the denier moron crowd. He has no credibility among real climate scientists. So of course the denier morons, who think they are smarter than the experts, latch on to his bullshit.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from pspr:

Dr. Lindzen explains the ridiculousness of the temperature variations reported by the AGW Alarmists.

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What is the real goal of the AGW Alarmists.

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Why the AGW Alarmists are not credible.

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The bottom line:

“The influence of mankind on climate is trivially true and numerically insignificant.”
~ Richard Lindzen, MIT Atmospheric Physicist

Today, most mainstream researchers consider Dr. Lindzen’s theory discredited. He does not agree, but he has had difficulty establishing his case in the scientific literature. Dr. Lindzen published a paper in 2009 offering more support for his case that the earth’s sensitivity to greenhouse gases is low, but once again scientists identified errors, including a failure to account for known inaccuracies in satellite measurements.

. Christopher S. Bretherton, an atmospheric researcher at the University of Washington, said Lindzen is "feeding upon an audience that wants to hear a certain message, and wants to hear it put forth by people with enough scientific reputation that it can be sustained for a while, even if it’s wrong science. I don’t think it’s intellectually honest at all." Kerry A. Emanuel, another M.I.T. scientist, said of Lindzen's views "Even if there were no political implications, it just seems deeply unprofessional and irresponsible to look at this and say, ‘We’re sure it’s not a problem.’ It’s a special kind of risk, because it’s a risk to the collective civilization."

 

[futurecurrents]

The Koch bros demand you to deny the following information. And if you don't, you will need to turn in your card.



The fact is that CO2 levels have gone up 40% in the last 150 years due to man.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas responsible for about15% of the earth's greenhouse effect.

How could that NOT make temps go up? It's a very simple common sense thing......... that the fossil fuel industry doesn't want you to think about and their denier moron minions don't want to acknowledge. Because AGW is liberal and associated with the hated Al Gore and is part of a grand conspiracy involving the Pope, Al Gore, liberals, socialists and unethical scientists who want to take away your right to drive an SUV.

The basics of the science is settled. 97% of the world's climatologists and all the world's science organizations are in agreement about it. The deniers just look foolish now.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cmb-faq/globalwarming.html

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence

http://climate.nasa.gov/causes

http://www.skepticalscience.com/emp...ouse-effect.htm

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

 

[jem]

once again a leftist tries to attack the person instead of the facts, data, stats and science.

would we expect anything from pro big brother drones.

who cares if Salby shows co2 levels match up with the change in temperature.


truth does not matter to a leftist drone.

Quote from futurecurrents:

Salby hasn't even been published in a peer reviewed journal as far as I can tell. His work is crap and goes against common sense. He's just flavor of the week for the denier moron crowd. He has no credibility among real climate scientists. So of course the denier morons, who think they are smarter than the experts, latch on to his bullshit.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from futurecurrents:

Salby hasn't even been published in a peer reviewed journal as far as I can tell. His work is crap and goes against common sense. He's just flavor of the week for the denier moron crowd. He has no credibility among real climate scientists. So of course the denier morons, who think they are smarter than the experts, latch on to his bullshit.

Of course he has, he is one of the world's top atmosphere physicists.

Professor Murry Salby - Publications (some of them, not all. Note that he is the first author on most of these.)

Salby, M, 1981: Rossby normal modes in nonuniform background configurations. Part I: Simple fields. J. Atm. Sci. , 38 , 1803–1826.

Salby, M, 1981: Rossby normal modes in nonuniform background configurations. Part II: Equinox and solstice conditions. J. Atmos. Sci. , 38 ,1827–1840.

Salby, M, 1982: Sampling theory for asynoptic satellite observations.
Part I: Spectra, resolution, and aliasing. J. Atm. Sci. , 39 , 2577–2600.

Salby, M, 1982: Sampling theory for asynoptic satellite observations.
Part II: Fast Fourier synoptic mapping. J. Atm. Sci. , 39 , 2601–2614.

Salby, M, Hartmann, D., Bailey, P., and J. Gille, 1984: Evidence for equatorial Kelvin waves in Nimbus-7 LIMS. J. Atm. Sci. , 41 , 220–235.

Salby, M, 1984: Survey of planetary-scale traveling waves: The state of theory and observations. Rev. Geophys. Space Phys. , 22 , 209–236. (Invited review).

Salby, M, and R. Garcia, 1987: Transient response to localized episodic heating in the tropics. Part I: Excitation and short-time near-field behavior.

J. Atm. Sci. , 44 , 458–498. Garcia, R., and M. Salby, 1987: Transient response to localized episodic heating in the tropics. Part II: Far-field behavior. J. Atmos. Sci. , 44 , 499–530.

Salby, M, 1989: Climate monitoring from space: Asynoptic sampling considerations. J. Climate , 2 , 1091-1105, (Invited).

Salby, M, P. Callaghan, and S. Solomon, and R. Garcia, 1990: Chemical fluctuations associated with vertically propagating equatorial Kelvin waves.

J. Geophys. Res. , 95 , 20491 – 20505. Salby, M, H. Hendon, K. Woodberry, and K. Tanaka, 1991: Analysis of global cloud imagery from multiple satellites. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc. , 4 ,

467–479 (cover). Salby, M, and P. Callaghan, 1993: Fluctuations in total ozone and their relationship to stratospheric air motions. J. Geophys. Res. , 98 , 2716–2727.

Salby, M and M. Juckes, 1994: An algorithm for retrieving the circulation from satellite measurements of tracer behavior. J. Geophys. Res.,99, 1403-1417.

Salby, M, and Hendon, H., 1994: Intraseasonal behavior of clouds, temperature, and motion in the tropics. J. Atmos. Sci , 51 , 2207-2224.

Hendon, H. and M Salby, 1994: The life cycle of the Madden-Julian Oscillation. J. Atmos. Sci. , 51 , 2225-2237.

Bergman, J. and M Salby, 1994: Equatorial waves derived from fluctuations in observed convection. J. Atmos. Sci., 51, 3791-3806.

Salby, M and P. Callaghan, 1997: Sampling error in climate properties derived from satellite measurements: Consequences of undersampled diurnal variability. J. Climate , 10 18-36 .

Fusco, A. and M Salby, 1999: Interannual variations of total ozone and their relationship to variations of planetary wave activity. J. Climate,12, 1619-1629.

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2000: Connection between the solar cycle and the QBO: The missing link. J. Climate 13 , 2652-2662.

Francis, G. and M Salby, 2001: Radiative influence of Antarctica on the polar night vortex. J. Atmos. Sci. , 58 , 1300-1309.

Gettelman, A., Salby, M., and F. Sassi, 2002: Distribution and influence of convection in the tropical tropopause region. J. Geophys. Res. , 107 , ACL6 (DOI 10.1029/2001JD001048).

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2002: Interannual changes of the stratospheric circulation: Relationship to Ozone and tropospheric structure. J. Climate, 15 , 3673-3685.

Salby, M., F. Sassi, P. Callaghan, W. Read, and H. Pumphrey, 2003: Fluctuations of cloud, humidity, and thermal structure near the tropical tropopause. J. Climate , 15 , 3428-3446.

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2004: Control of the tropical tropopause and vertical transport across it. J. Climate, 17, 965-985.

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2005: Interaction between the Brewer-Dobson circulation and the Hadley circulation. J. Climate , 18 , 4303-4316.

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2006: Influence of the Brewer-Dobson circulation on stratosphere-troposphere exchange. J. Geophys. Res. 111 , D21106, doi:10.1029/2006JD007051.

Salby, M. L., and P. F. Callaghan, 2006: Evidence of the solar cycle in the tropical troposphere. J. Geophys. Res. 111 , D21113, doi:10.1029/2006JD007133.

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2007: On the Wintertime Increase of Arctic Ozone: Relationship to Changes of the Polar-Night Vortex. J. Geophys. Res. 112 , D06116, doi:10.1029/2006JD007948.

Salby, M., 2008: Involvement of the Brewer-Dobson circulation in changes of Northern Hemisphere ozone. Dynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans (Invited/In Press)

Books

Salby, M, 1992: The Atmosphere. In Climate Systems Modeling , K. Trenberth Ed. Sponsored jointly by UCAR and the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI), Cambridge University Press 53–115.

Salby, M, 1996: Fundamentals of Atmospheric Physics . International Geophysics Series, Academic Press, 628 pp. 2nd Printing (2005)

Salby, M, 2002: Planetary Waves. in Encyclopedia of Physical Science and Technology , P. Crutzen Ed. Academic Press, 12 , 357-371.

Salby, M, 2003: Fundamental Forces and Governing Equations, Chapter 2, in Handbook of Weather, Water, and Climate: Dynamics , Cliimate, Physical Meteorology, Weather Systems, and Measurements , T. Potter and B. Colman, eds. (Wiley-Interscience, Hoboken NJ, 2003), 7-20.

Salby, M, 2009: Fundamentals of Atmospheric Physics . International Geophysics Series, Academic Press, 2nd Edition (In Preparation)

He has not got this latest work published yet, but I am certain it has been submitted. The peer review process for anything that breaks with conventional thinking can take a couple years, with a number of rejections, revisions, etc. The objections of the reviewers have to be answered to the satisfaction of the editors before something can be published. For work of minor importance, the review process can be cursory and often the reviews are even of worse quality than the work. Mistakes get through. For work of this importance however, the review process will be extremely thorough.

We will just have to wait and see whether Salby's latest work is accepted as correct, mostly correct, incorrect. I would guess none of us here are fully qualified to judge it, but there are those that are qualified and will weigh in, I assure you. In the meantime it is best to just ignore comments from anyone not working directly in the field, myself included, until this latest work has been subjected to rigorous review. It makes sense to me however. (Pretend I did not say that. )

 

[pspr]

Piezeo, I appreciate your objectivity and honesty on this subject.

It is refreshing after seeing so many close minded posts like the one directly below this post.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from piezoe:

Of course he has, he is one of the world's top atmosphere physicists.

Professor Murry Salby - Publications (some of them, not all. Note that he is the first author on most of these.)

Salby, M, 1981: Rossby normal modes in nonuniform background configurations. Part I: Simple fields. J. Atm. Sci. , 38 , 1803–1826.

Salby, M, 1981: Rossby normal modes in nonuniform background configurations. Part II: Equinox and solstice conditions. J. Atmos. Sci. , 38 ,1827–1840.

Salby, M, 1982: Sampling theory for asynoptic satellite observations.
Part I: Spectra, resolution, and aliasing. J. Atm. Sci. , 39 , 2577–2600.

Salby, M, 1982: Sampling theory for asynoptic satellite observations.
Part II: Fast Fourier synoptic mapping. J. Atm. Sci. , 39 , 2601–2614.

Salby, M, Hartmann, D., Bailey, P., and J. Gille, 1984: Evidence for equatorial Kelvin waves in Nimbus-7 LIMS. J. Atm. Sci. , 41 , 220–235.

Salby, M, 1984: Survey of planetary-scale traveling waves: The state of theory and observations. Rev. Geophys. Space Phys. , 22 , 209–236. (Invited review).

Salby, M, and R. Garcia, 1987: Transient response to localized episodic heating in the tropics. Part I: Excitation and short-time near-field behavior.

J. Atm. Sci. , 44 , 458–498. Garcia, R., and M. Salby, 1987: Transient response to localized episodic heating in the tropics. Part II: Far-field behavior. J. Atmos. Sci. , 44 , 499–530.

Salby, M, 1989: Climate monitoring from space: Asynoptic sampling considerations. J. Climate , 2 , 1091-1105, (Invited).

Salby, M, P. Callaghan, and S. Solomon, and R. Garcia, 1990: Chemical fluctuations associated with vertically propagating equatorial Kelvin waves.

J. Geophys. Res. , 95 , 20491 – 20505. Salby, M, H. Hendon, K. Woodberry, and K. Tanaka, 1991: Analysis of global cloud imagery from multiple satellites. Bull. Amer. Meteor. Soc. , 4 ,

467–479 (cover). Salby, M, and P. Callaghan, 1993: Fluctuations in total ozone and their relationship to stratospheric air motions. J. Geophys. Res. , 98 , 2716–2727.

Salby, M and M. Juckes, 1994: An algorithm for retrieving the circulation from satellite measurements of tracer behavior. J. Geophys. Res.,99, 1403-1417.

Salby, M, and Hendon, H., 1994: Intraseasonal behavior of clouds, temperature, and motion in the tropics. J. Atmos. Sci , 51 , 2207-2224.

Hendon, H. and M Salby, 1994: The life cycle of the Madden-Julian Oscillation. J. Atmos. Sci. , 51 , 2225-2237.

Bergman, J. and M Salby, 1994: Equatorial waves derived from fluctuations in observed convection. J. Atmos. Sci., 51, 3791-3806.

Salby, M and P. Callaghan, 1997: Sampling error in climate properties derived from satellite measurements: Consequences of undersampled diurnal variability. J. Climate , 10 18-36 .

Fusco, A. and M Salby, 1999: Interannual variations of total ozone and their relationship to variations of planetary wave activity. J. Climate,12, 1619-1629.

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2000: Connection between the solar cycle and the QBO: The missing link. J. Climate 13 , 2652-2662.

Francis, G. and M Salby, 2001: Radiative influence of Antarctica on the polar night vortex. J. Atmos. Sci. , 58 , 1300-1309.

Gettelman, A., Salby, M., and F. Sassi, 2002: Distribution and influence of convection in the tropical tropopause region. J. Geophys. Res. , 107 , ACL6 (DOI 10.1029/2001JD001048).

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2002: Interannual changes of the stratospheric circulation: Relationship to Ozone and tropospheric structure. J. Climate, 15 , 3673-3685.

Salby, M., F. Sassi, P. Callaghan, W. Read, and H. Pumphrey, 2003: Fluctuations of cloud, humidity, and thermal structure near the tropical tropopause. J. Climate , 15 , 3428-3446.

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2004: Control of the tropical tropopause and vertical transport across it. J. Climate, 17, 965-985.

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2005: Interaction between the Brewer-Dobson circulation and the Hadley circulation. J. Climate , 18 , 4303-4316.

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2006: Influence of the Brewer-Dobson circulation on stratosphere-troposphere exchange. J. Geophys. Res. 111 , D21106, doi:10.1029/2006JD007051.

Salby, M. L., and P. F. Callaghan, 2006: Evidence of the solar cycle in the tropical troposphere. J. Geophys. Res. 111 , D21113, doi:10.1029/2006JD007133.

Salby, M. and P. Callaghan, 2007: On the Wintertime Increase of Arctic Ozone: Relationship to Changes of the Polar-Night Vortex. J. Geophys. Res. 112 , D06116, doi:10.1029/2006JD007948.

Salby, M., 2008: Involvement of the Brewer-Dobson circulation in changes of Northern Hemisphere ozone. Dynamics of Atmospheres and Oceans (Invited/In Press)

Books

Salby, M, 1992: The Atmosphere. In Climate Systems Modeling , K. Trenberth Ed. Sponsored jointly by UCAR and the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI), Cambridge University Press 53–115.

Salby, M, 1996: Fundamentals of Atmospheric Physics . International Geophysics Series, Academic Press, 628 pp. 2nd Printing (2005)

Salby, M, 2002: Planetary Waves. in Encyclopedia of Physical Science and Technology , P. Crutzen Ed. Academic Press, 12 , 357-371.

Salby, M, 2003: Fundamental Forces and Governing Equations, Chapter 2, in Handbook of Weather, Water, and Climate: Dynamics , Cliimate, Physical Meteorology, Weather Systems, and Measurements , T. Potter and B. Colman, eds. (Wiley-Interscience, Hoboken NJ, 2003), 7-20.

Salby, M, 2009: Fundamentals of Atmospheric Physics . International Geophysics Series, Academic Press, 2nd Edition (In Preparation)

He has not got this latest work published yet, but I am certain it has been submitted. The peer review process for anything that breaks with conventional thinking can take a couple years, with a number of rejections, revisions, etc. The objections of the reviewers have to be answered to the satisfaction of the editors before something can be published. For work of minor importance, the review process can be cursory and often the reviews are even of worse quality than the work. Mistakes get through. For work of this importance however, the review process will be extremely thorough.

We will just have to wait and see whether Salby's latest work is accepted as correct, mostly correct, incorrect. I would guess none of us here are fully qualified to judge it, but there are those that are qualified and will weigh in, I assure you. In the meantime it is best to just ignore comments from anyone not working directly in the field, myself included, until this latest work has been subjected to rigorous review. It makes sense to me however. (Pretend I did not say that. )

I misspoke. I meant this latest work. I believe he is having a hard time finding someplace with low enough standards to publish it.

 

[jem]

that was not a "misspoke" you trolled out an unsubstantiated slur because your are a leftist with no regard for the truth or science.

Quote from futurecurrents:

I misspoke. I meant this latest work. I believe he is having a hard time finding someplace with low enough standards to publish it.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from jem:

that was not a "misspoke" you trolled out an unsubstantiated slur because your are a leftist with no regard for the truth or science.

Ahh yes it's all about left vs right with you. You have no interest in objective truth or science. Go fuck yourself you insanely biased douchebag.

The fact is that this has still not been published in a peer reviewed publication because it is the typical shit moron denier 'science'.

If it ever does get published it will be in some second rate journal backed by a conservative think tank, the Koch bros and/or the fossil fuel industry.

And for every one of the 3% denier whores like this fraud, there is 97% of the climate science community that disagrees.