Is fully automated trading a fantasy? Your opinions here

Is a 100% automated system possible for a $10k (futures/forex)? To live off of?

  • Yes, you can print money in the markets (large, consistent short term gains).

    Votes: 106 37.9%

  • Yes, but not to live off of (very slow gains long term).

    Votes: 27 9.6%

  • It may be possible, but no one would sell it.

    Votes: 73 26.1%

  • No. Strictly a trader fantasy.

    Votes: 74 26.4%
  • Total voters
    280
Quote from TraderRobb:

This is true. Averages $400. Substantially less is about $500. loss...about $100/trade. Not so easy unless fully automated, then it could be easy. Some people do it! That's the main point. Its good to have a target.
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Thanks for the confirm.

I can pull it off in the YM, ES and NQ, but I have to leave the ER alone, it's little bit too hot for me. I'd rather make my money slow.

Just my trading personality.

Good trading,

JJ
 
Hi polr_trader,

It would take me too far to talk about this on this forum. If I ever do talk about it, it will be on the site I gave a link to. I don't want to repeat myself.

Differential Geometry (for the local case, and Differential Topology for the global case) is a natural machinary to do market analysis with imo.

It is reeeeeeeeeeeally hard for me to believe, given Simmons background, that he doesn't use engineered manifolds with suitable geometries to do his market computations on. That said, I don't know how to reconcilde your experience with my intuition.

nitro
Quote from polr_trader:

Hey Nitro,

Why do you believe that Simons et al. are using the Ricci curvature tensor? I ask because I consider myself something of a Simons follower/watcher. I've had discussions with 1) funds of funds that were at one point invested with RT; 2) a couple guys who were literally among the first five or six employees at the firm; and 3) a couple of the PhDs who left the firm for greener pastures (if they exist!). And they all swore up and down that there is no geometry involved in what RT does. And we're talking about individuals who really don't have a reason to lie (i.e., they're not protecting the strategy, as they no longer work there or have money invested with them).

polr
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Hi Nitro,

I'll continue to check out the site you mentioned. Thanks...I find your posts quite valuable.

polr_trader



Quote from nitro:

Hi polr_trader,

It would take me too far to talk about this on this forum. If I ever do talk about it, it will be on the site I gave a link to. I don't want to repeat myself.

Differential Geometry (for the local case, and Differential Topology for the global case) is a natural machinary to do market analysis with imo.

It is reeeeeeeeeeeally hard for me to believe, given Simmons background, that he doesn't use engineered manifolds with suitable geometries to do his market computations on. That said, I don't know how to reconcilde your experience with my intuition.

nitro
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Quote from Bernard111:

Which $$$ per contract would make yourhappy on Eurex debt?
:D
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if i could clear after all cost one tick a day on the gb i would try and do 1000 contracts at a whack. ;)
 
Quote from MarkBrown:

if i could clear after all cost one tick a day on the gb i would try and do 1000 contracts at a whack. ;)
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If one tick would be a great result on gb, what's the equivalent on US 10Y or 30Y, given the eCBOT mkts behavior is often different than the Eurex?...
 
Quote from intradaybill:

Christ, what a delay in answering a question. Three years almost. World record!
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Never would have seen this otherwise. a 3 year delay, probably what trading on dialup was over a decade ago.
But yes, its the best thing ever. Like Richard Pryor in Superman 3, wake up, push the on button, and see the P&L rise all day. America...what a country!
 
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