Is day trading worth it?

Any time markets are hitting new all time highs/lows, markets makes odd and wild price patterns. The Indexes, especially ES are choppy but they do make common patterns reoccurring patterns if one studies long enough, I find requiring deeper retracements are needed to keep same risk stops, also doing less trades cause of waiting for deeper retracements.

I prefer to have daily goals of 4-6 points in ES than have unlimited targets. Unlike most, I feel longer term trading commodities is much less risky than day trading, less time, less commissions. I been testing much more in adding onto profitable positions in long term and less so in day trading.

Whether trend lines, price patterns, indicators or combinations, these are all rules we form, rules for risk, rules for what to do after one is in a trade, and unless there are rules, little chance of being profitable.

As time goes by, for those just coming into trading, long term way to go, day trading should be left to those who has ability to really back test and understands the nature of the market they want to trade, the time it takes to become profitable, you most likely could start a business and have it going well by time you can be averaging breakeven trading.

Not really, I have been running my business for 5 years and have only just reached break even, I think with training from someone who is already profitable you could be break even at trading aftre 5 years also, but you need to find someone who is genuine and can actually show you how to progress
 
Oh and I'm break even to slightly profitable at trading and I have put in over 5 years work with no Help from anyone, I think if I had a good mentor I could have done it in half the time
 
Oh and I'm break even to slightly profitable at trading and I have put in over 5 years work with no Help from anyone, I think if I had a good mentor I could have done it in half the time

@wwatson1 I was having the same discussion this morning with someone that I am guiding.

You are right that someone who has a mentor will learn faster (most times). However, they will almost always be less better than self-taught. The reason for this is that when someone is self taught, they make many mistakes, some repeatedly. In doing that, not only do they learn what "works", but more importantly, they learn and have a firmly established experience of what DOESN'T work. The value of this in the long run is priceless.
 
Oh and I'm break even to slightly profitable at trading and I have put in over 5 years work with no Help from anyone, I think if I had a good mentor I could have done it in half the time
I have taught students and have taught employees, only 50% of employees learned to do it well, and students were at 30%. Students would learn by email and during the day real time for up to two years. Employees sit next to me for three months, exits were automated and few days each month there after. Employees had zero risk other than not having a job after six months/had guaranteed base salary and students had zero risk as I would make it close to impossible to go from sim trading to real time. Both had same problems of just following the rules, the worst ones were anyone that had failed in past in trading. After trying to teach for so many years, come to conclusion that if you are not ready to just follow rules, one is not going to get it no many how much time I spend with them. I no longer teach students and I am not hiring.

Maybe you would have done in half the time or been told to quit.

What is so funny to me is inexperienced traders buy systems which at some point stop working cause current conditions change and they have no idea that has happened. and they don't have the skills to adapt.
 
This is the main issue with "trading for a living"--- there are zero transferable skills to the real world.

As an independent trader if you are doing it for a living you are doing it wrong. The only reason to even get into trading is to acquire wealth and acquire it fast, so that you won't ever have to worry about making a living or your life after trading. Grinding out a paycheck from trading is a losing proposition over the long term. You are either a hero or a zero.
 
@wwatson1 I was having the same discussion this morning with someone that I am guiding.

You are right that someone who has a mentor will learn faster (most times). However, they will almost always be less better than self-taught. The reason for this is that when someone is self taught, they make many mistakes, some repeatedly. In doing that, not only do they learn what "works", but more importantly, they learn and have a firmly established experience of what DOESN'T work. The value of this in the long run is priceless.

True...But I would rather hang around successful people any day then me trying to do things on my own.. It's usually a losing strategy trying to do things on your own..
 
As an independent trader if you are doing it for a living you are doing it wrong. The only reason to even get into trading is to acquire wealth and acquire it fast, so that you won't ever have to worry about making a living or your life after trading. Grinding out a paycheck from trading is a losing proposition over the long term. You are either a hero or a zero.


I agree with you. As James Althucher says, "it's a miserable life".
 
I disagree Surf there are quite a few skills that are transferable eg analysis, decision making, separating emotions from analysis etc..


Sure--- I meant skills that will get you employed--- while those skills are needed, just try to sell your past as a stay at home trader to an employer-- 95% of the time the employer hasn't a clue-- sad but true.
 
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