I see a number of left leaning people on here opposing Bloomberg. Is he really that bad? If you hate Trump that much then you probably should be rooting for Bloomberg. It looks like Bloomberg could take Florida and Bernie Sanders can't. If you really hate Trump so much then why not put your support behind someone who has a better shot now that Biden is fading away.......
Is Bloomberg really that bad?
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Compared to Trump, no, dude's pretty solid. I don't even think he's a racist like a lot of people do. I think he instituted racist policies guided by what he thought made sense at the time, and wouldn't surprise me if they even worked, but that's shown that he'd sacrifice civil liberties to get shit done.
Moderates such as myself don't want some one center right now, because we need someone to dismantle Trump's abuses and bring us back to center. Bloomberg would probably have the skills to minimize the economic shit show Donald will be leaving us with, but I doubt he'll tackle the pervasive & encroached corruption Trump's left us with.
As to Bernie not having a shot, I disagree, they've been saying he didn't have a shot since Biden was around. America's mistake is being so arrogant to think a left wing populist cannot take the WH, having learned nothing from our arrogance of thinking a reality tv host turned right wing populist would ever take the WH.
One thing's certain, righties are panicking & want lefties to pick Bloomberg because that reality (Bernie taking the WH) is beginning to set in.
Moderates such as myself don't want some one center right now, because we need someone to dismantle Trump's abuses and bring us back to center. Bloomberg would probably have the skills to minimize the economic shit show Donald will be leaving us with, but I doubt he'll tackle the pervasive & encroached corruption Trump's left us with.
As to Bernie not having a shot, I disagree, they've been saying he didn't have a shot since Biden was around. America's mistake is being so arrogant to think a left wing populist cannot take the WH, having learned nothing from our arrogance of thinking a reality tv host turned right wing populist would ever take the WH.
One thing's certain, righties are panicking & want lefties to pick Bloomberg because that reality (Bernie taking the WH) is beginning to set in.
“The Communist Party wants to stay powerful in China, and they listen to the public,” Bloomberg said. “Xi Jinping is not a dictator. He has to satisfy his constituents or he’s not going to survive.”
This statement alone should be disqualifying. Problem is this kind of statement gets democrats excited.
This statement alone should be disqualifying. Problem is this kind of statement gets democrats excited.
I don’t think the guy knows what party best defines him. He was a Republican at one time then switched. He’s a capitalist economically, socially is where he goes off the rails. He tends to lean towards government control and suppression to control behavior.
Him and Trump don’t get along. Must be some playground feud from their childhood.
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Bernie may get the nomination, but there's no way under the sun he'll win the WH. Never-Trumpers (of all colors) over the age 50 will just stay home and say "we're f'd no matter what".
That’s the horror of the DNC, if Bernie loses the nomination, they sit out and Trump’s reelected. If he gets the nomination they lose the WH and possibly the House as the vast majority if voters have said they will not elect a communist/socialist.
Like I said, the American folly/arrogance of thinking we're some special breed of human being not bound to repeat the history of other nations. After all, why would "never Trumpers" risk another term?
They got along well until Trump ran for president.
Just like how Trump got along well with Clintons, Oprah, Hollywood, etc.
If Bernie is nominated, I can see Omar strapping on the suicide vest at the convention, given Bloomberg's pro-Israel positions and actions.
It is well established that after long campaigns people get together who swored just days before that they never would, but if Bloomy wants the nomination it will require him to bring Bernie supporters over. You think that they will do that just because they don't want to see Trump elected? Wrong. They will want to see the entire party go down as it did in 2016 to punish it for screwing Bernie and nomnating an old white establishment billionaire and changing the rules every step of the way for him.
I don't know if Bloomberg can get the nomination, but I do know that he is perfectly capable of dividing or keeping the vote divided enough to keep anyone from reaching a majority which will lead to a brokered convention. He is already there. Once you go to brokered convention, everything is a crap shoot magnitudes higher than the current crap shoot.
It is not impossible to avoid a brokered convention but the math for avoiding it at this point is not pretty or favors a brokered convention. After SuperTuesday, 40% of the delegates nationwide will have been assigned by primary-caucus votes. So if the leading candidate such as Bernie is lucky enough to have gotten, say 30% of the vote which gives him 30% of the delegates (roughly, some variation based on the way they calculate those who dont meet thresholds) then that candidate needs to start getting almost double the rate of voting support for the remaining primaries. That can be done if you have a top tier candidate drop out and the leader inherits those votes. Not so much if people start dropping out and their votes just go to a new candidate- Bloomberg- and the vote just stays diluted.
This is and will continue to be a full-fledged dumpster fire.
"So far things are not lookin' good." James Carville.
It is well established that after long campaigns people get together who swored just days before that they never would, but if Bloomy wants the nomination it will require him to bring Bernie supporters over. You think that they will do that just because they don't want to see Trump elected? Wrong. They will want to see the entire party go down as it did in 2016 to punish it for screwing Bernie and nomnating an old white establishment billionaire and changing the rules every step of the way for him.
I don't know if Bloomberg can get the nomination, but I do know that he is perfectly capable of dividing or keeping the vote divided enough to keep anyone from reaching a majority which will lead to a brokered convention. He is already there. Once you go to brokered convention, everything is a crap shoot magnitudes higher than the current crap shoot.
It is not impossible to avoid a brokered convention but the math for avoiding it at this point is not pretty or favors a brokered convention. After SuperTuesday, 40% of the delegates nationwide will have been assigned by primary-caucus votes. So if the leading candidate such as Bernie is lucky enough to have gotten, say 30% of the vote which gives him 30% of the delegates (roughly, some variation based on the way they calculate those who dont meet thresholds) then that candidate needs to start getting almost double the rate of voting support for the remaining primaries. That can be done if you have a top tier candidate drop out and the leader inherits those votes. Not so much if people start dropping out and their votes just go to a new candidate- Bloomberg- and the vote just stays diluted.
This is and will continue to be a full-fledged dumpster fire.
"So far things are not lookin' good." James Carville.
If it goes to a brokered convention, in theory at least, can they just pick anyone? Like even if they didn't run in the primaries? Say... John Kerry? I mean obviously there'd be a huge public backlash, but who are they gonna pick then?