Good statement. I consider myself a very logical person. In fact, logic is what I base much of my religious faith on.
OTOH, I would also urge believers to realize that they don't have sole proprietorship over righteousness.
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Is Bible inerrant
- Thread starter yip1997
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Good statement. I consider myself a very logical person. In fact, logic is what I base much of my religious faith on.
OTOH, I would also urge believers to realize that they don't have sole proprietorship over righteousness.
Quote from giles117:
The definition of inerrant is....
1. Incapable of erring; infallible.
2. Containing no errors.
Definition 1 doesn't fit because the bible is not a living book. It does not grow and change. It is what it is....
Isn't one of the attributes for inerrancy "it doesn't grow and change. It is what it is...."?
If it keeps changing, I don't see why you would call it inerrant.
[edit] if there is indeed the Truth, it should never change, right?
Quote from yip1997:
Biblical explanation for what? My mind keeps changing as I am alive. Did you ever change your mind?
It is becoming of any intelligent person to seek continued understanding. This should often lead to a change in opinion. I doubt however that a person can switch back and forth between believer and non-believer. To me this is simply a characteristic of one who is indecisive and gullible.
Each person should settle on core beliefs. If you've decided that you are a believer, then you should search for the true doctrines of belief. If you've decided that some sort of "God" is impossible, then pursue truth in that realm. A person can come to the realization that there likely is a God or visa versa, but to constantly switch back and forth shows no conviction.
Quote from yip1997:
Isn't one of the attributes for inerrancy "it doesn't grow and change. It is what it is...."?
If it keeps changing, I don't see why you would call it inerrant.
[edit] if there is indeed the Truth, it should never change, right?
The Bible for the most part doesn't grow nor change. The interpretation of specific passages is the issue. The defining characteristics of the different sects are the result of which passages each considers to be literal, and which are considered symbolic.
My personal belief (not speaking for my religion as a whole) is that revelation was never meant to stop with the last book of the new testament, and that misinterpretation of the Bible is very likely if the person doesn't approach it correctly.
The Bible when misinterpreted is full of contradiction and fallacies. This has lead to hundreds of different "christian" sects. Does this make the Bible less accurate? IMO, no. Just an inaccurate understanding.
Quote from Cache Landing:
It is becoming of any intelligent person to seek continued understanding. This should often lead to a change in opinion. I doubt however that a person can switch back and forth between believer and non-believer. To me this is simply a characteristic of one who is indecisive and gullible.
Each person should settle on core beliefs. If you've decided that you are a believer, then you should search for the true doctrines of belief. If you've decided that some sort of "God" is impossible, then pursue truth in that realm. A person can come to the realization that there likely is a God or visa versa, but to constantly switch back and forth shows no conviction.
When should we settle? How can one search for the true doctrines of belief if he won't change his mind?
I once made 100 trades, and won all 100 times. I believed I had an edge or the trading skill. In another year I made another 100 trades and lost all 100 times. Do I or should I reconsider my "edge" or my trading skill?
Quote from yip1997:
When should we settle? How can one search for the true doctrines of belief if he won't change his mind?
I once made 100 trades, and won all 100 times. I believed I had an edge or the trading skill. In another year I made another 100 trades and lost all 100 times. Do I or should I reconsider my "edge" or my trading skill?
It isn't a matter of settling. Your example isn't really pertinent to the topic. The conditions in the market are ever-changing. your first 100 trades matched the prevailing conditions, while the latter 100 didn't. It is up to a trader to correctly identify the current conditions and change accordingly.
On the topic of religious belief, the existence of God is not ever-changing. If he existed when you were born, he will still exist when you die. If you have decided that you believe in God, then you should try to discover who God is. There are many choices.
If you are still undecided as to whether there is a God, then you should continue to pursue that first decision. Every person should consider in their mind whether the idea of God is actually just well instuted myth. I don't believe in blindly following something.
In the end for me, that question led me to a belief in christianity. I build from there.
Quote from giles117:
How can I get offended?? The very book we debate teaches me to not be offended. Fighting for what I believe is right is a far cry form wearing thin skin and becoming easily offended by what people say, think or do.
Sorry about that, Giles. I was rushing and got you mixed up with Yip.
Quote from yip1997:
When should we settle? How can one search for the true doctrines of belief if he won't change his mind?
I once made 100 trades, and won all 100 times. I believed I had an edge or the trading skill. In another year I made another 100 trades and lost all 100 times. Do I or should I reconsider my "edge" or my trading skill?
What doctrines did you start with? Were/are you a member of a particular denomination?
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The existence of God might never change, but ones experience is. Most faith built from self-experience, or the experience of others with some sorts of logical reasoning. If one saw or heard something spiritual (or scientifically unexplanable at that time), he believed in God. When he is more knowledgeable or when he knows more about the science/religion/the dark side of human beings, he might find another explanation for the once unexplanable.
Experience and knowledge (just like the market) are always changing, and so is faith that builds on experience and knowledge.
I don't see the reasons why one can't change his mind.
I believed in Chrisitanity, and I believed bible was inerrant as I was told. When I get older with a better understanding of beings and nature, I start to have doubts. I am not ashamed of having doubts in my belief.
Quote from Cache Landing:
It isn't a matter of settling. Your example isn't really pertinent to the topic. The conditions in the market are ever-changing. your first 100 trades matched the prevailing conditions, while the latter 100 didn't. It is up to a trader to correctly identify the current conditions and change accordingly.
On the topic of religious belief, the existence of God is not ever-changing. If he existed when you were born, he will still exist when you die. If you have decided that you believe in God, then you should try to discover who God is. There are many choices.
If you are still undecided as to whether there is a God, then you should continue to pursue that first decision. Every person should consider in their mind whether the idea of God is actually just well instuted myth. I don't believe in blindly following something.
In the end for me, that question led me to a belief in christianity. I build from there.
The existence of God might never change, but ones experience is. Most faith built from self-experience, or the experience of others with some sorts of logical reasoning. If one saw or heard something spiritual (or scientifically unexplanable at that time), he believed in God. When he is more knowledgeable or when he knows more about the science/religion/the dark side of human beings, he might find another explanation for the once unexplanable.
Experience and knowledge (just like the market) are always changing, and so is faith that builds on experience and knowledge.
I don't see the reasons why one can't change his mind.
I believed in Chrisitanity, and I believed bible was inerrant as I was told. When I get older with a better understanding of beings and nature, I start to have doubts. I am not ashamed of having doubts in my belief.