Is Atheism a crutch for people who donât understand the complexity of God?
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"I am the truth" means that absolute truth describes what you *are.* "The universe" describes what you are not. "The universe" is a *gift* given to yourself to *be*. Everything "the universe" is, is what you are...not. "The universe" is a re-creation of what you are: Creation, Reality. The re-creation is really a wreck, because Creation is already perfect.
It takes faith and vigilance to ready your mind to accept this instead of "the universe" which belittles you through your faithlessness in Self. You can use faith in what you are "within" [think: Kingdom of God] to sort through the disorder of chaotic thought, which is "the universe". Both "the universe" and "the Kingdom of God" are within "you". The former is a false face, passing. The latter your true state of being, which remains unchanged while "the universe" appears to change what is.
"The universe" is an *experience* of anti-Self. Force and aggression are expressed here as "real", yet without any real effect on what always is. Accepting the absolute truth is to accept your Self, as you were created by *our Father*. Faith in "the universe" is faithlessness toward Self. Faith in Self calls for the withdrawl of desire>faith in "the universe". Faith in the universe brings it, and all of its experiences to you. What you see is what you have believed about your Self. The absolute Truth states that everything you believe about yourself is false. The reality of your truth is beyond belief, in the realm of knowing. Knowledge was denied to make the experience of ignorance that is "the universe". Faith was the path away, and therefore is the path back to the certainty of knowledge.
Abrahamic type religions, those which mock *our Father* by equating him with the "god" who makes "the universe", help to deny knowledge, and maintain ignorance, that the experience of "the universe" may continue. Think of them as toys which you are just now becoming weary of playing with. And you are putting them in the attic as you grow up toward what you already are. Their appeal no longer intrigues you. Yet individualism still intrigues you, and it is this that Abrahamic traditions uphold, despite the mantra "God is one". Perhaps the story of Abraham once had value. Perhaps it has been reinterpreted to uphold individualism and separation...and lost its value. Interpreted in the light of the truth of oneness, the promise made to Abraham is a promise made to the entire mind that is darkened by "the universe". Light will dawn upon the entire mind as each one follows the truth beyond "the universe". The promised "land" is Self. Self is spirit/mind not mind/body. Any reference to "land" is a parable pointing to the true Self. Self is not a son of Abraham. Before Abraham, Self is, and remains so.
"The universe" is a kind of blasphemy which mocks *our Father* by establishing an idol in his place, to which the Son bows down superstitiously, valuing the individualism it seems to offer as "life". "God is not mocked" means that because "the universe" does not exist, God is not mocked. It is utterly false, and will vanish the instant the mind that imagines it no longer values what amounts to a joke on Self.
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1. It was utter bullshit and nonsense
2. I proved it.
3. We(!) changed - not you. You said it was 4 and 5 switching places, and I said it could be done on top of elementary algebra.
4. I explained how that would make it valid - as we had done by defining the context and a coherent, sound model for carrying meaning and reasoning.
Whether something is logical is NOT subjective. You are a nonsensical bullshitting poser and an imbecile to boot.
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1. It was utter bullshit and nonsense
2. I proved it.
3. We(!) changed - not you. You said it was 4 and 5 switching places, and I said it could be done on top of elementary algebra.
4. I explained how that would make it valid - as we had done by defining the context and a coherent, sound model for carrying meaning and reasoning.
Whether something is logical is NOT subjective. You are a nonsensical bullshitting poser and an imbecile to boot.
Sorry, jonbigism never changed...in fact I've brought up the whole 4 switching places with 5 things before. I let you put your foot in your mouth and it was funny watching you scurry around looking for a way out like I knew you would have to. Just like yesterday. I won't reply to your insults, they are indicative of the precarious and flat out wrong position you took. I'm surprised you took the bait when I asked you to "prove me wrong". Didn't you know how this was going to end up? Take care who you debate next time.
Again, this is isomorphic to what I think about reasoning, and the "phase"/"face" that you describe is in the information passing into knowledge - or "your true state of being" as you said.
I agree that the teaching of religion has played a role in society and evolution of humankind.
The temptation of abuse of "faith" is apparent: the religious group killing a baby for not saying "amen" or in another case a stepdad killing a baby for not saying "please". Also the Nasa-spouse and mother drowning her children so that "satan would not get to them".
It is very clear that "faith" is something very powerful within people as well as "faith" being something corruptible, and that the integrity of such a belief system should be kept integrally strong - within oneself to not corrupt others, but voluntarily accepted with a full context of freedom of thought.
You said nothing more than "2+2=5" - you defined no context in your first post. Then we later got a name - "jonbigism", and the next few posts we defined a context of "elementary algebra".
You are a puny excuse for a "thinking mind", and a liar - changing your story as you go along.
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Ive never changed my story. I could invite you to prove that and watch you scrounge for proof again, but it's getting old. As most debaters know, insults usually fly from the desperate (you know this). You are obviously that. I'm through busting you up.
In my previous post I proved that you are a liar.
You had not defined "jonbigism", and not even come up with a complete system of belief/model... you just invented that along as you went.
You did this with intent and ignorance. You are just a lowly liar, nothing else.
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Ok gring
Your only making the obvious more obvious. Keep firing the insults.
You might find being called a liar insulting, but the fact remains that you started with your ignorance and then fabricated your way along with full intent and claiming insight or foresight.
I proved you to be a liar, and I call you a lowly liar because that is how I see a spineless liar without any shred of integrity. A belief system may be subjective, but the integrity of a belief system relies on strong foundations.
You show no integrity and fabricate lies... I am just calling a spade for a spade - and I proved you a liar. That means that I did not just "throw it out there" as a claim, but I backed it up with irrefutable proof.
There you go; and if that is insulting to you - then keep in mind that you should stay in school and educate yourself to build up some knowledge and personal integrity as you reflect on yourself, life and the universe. Maybe then you can progress from posting lies and continue lying here...
You showed no progress during this little session, so it seemed just fair to assume you to be an imbecile - even though I tried to tutor you on the intricacies of providing argumentative and belief integrity. You kept clinging on to your claims even in the face of irrefutable contrary evidence, over a number of issues - and that is imbecilic - i.e not consistent with the aptness of cognition.