Is Atheism a crutch for people who don’t understand the complexity of God?

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I really have little respect for science in the area of origins... we had a family in our little town that was killing their children if they were not blue eyed blondes, true story. The police investigated, found a small skeleton in a box in the garage. They said they could not really tell if that was a human child or a monkey and they did not investigate further. Now Leaky finds a bone fragment here and there spread over miles of area and he declares he has Lucy.. what a crock of shit....
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What the hell does that have to do with this thread? Racism ignorance has nothing to do with science or God.

As for Leaky, evolution has pretty much been proven. Reams and reams of evidence vs. you guys who think the earth is 5000 years old (there are civilizations older than that), Noah's Ark, etc.

Geez!
 
"If God is what people say there can be no one in the universe so unhappy as He; for He sees unceasingly myriads of His creatures suffering unspeakable miseries--and besides this foresees how they are going to suffer during the remainder of their lives. One might as well say, "As unhappy as God."
Mark Twain- Notebook #24, April - Aug. 1885

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Quote from Jayford:

Give me a fucking break, its the exact opposite. From philosophy 101, the classic Dichotomy of God:

1) All powerful

2) all knowing

3) absolute purity (good).

Then how can there be so much crap in the world. Starvation, wars, etc.. Does not compute.

obvious complete ignorance of God. Wild thoughts = an explanation? Try reading the holy books, to understand, instead of guess

Virtually every philosopher is an atheist for a reason.

prove this statement. So far, you are 0 for 2

There is absolutely ZERO evidence for a God, and when presented with the above argument, believers invariably say you must have "faith". We cannot possibly understand God's motives. In other words, they have no argument.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence for NO God, and when presented with the above argument, atheists invariably appeal to their own logic, even though it is founded on ignorance.

I actually find it embarrassing that otherwise intelligent people can believe in some all powerful being just because we haven't figured out how everything works yet.

Not as embarrassing as that the atheists have no more to go on then blind guesswork.

Look at what we have figured out in just the last century! It wasn't until just the past few decades that we figured out how lightning works. No, not punishment from the heavens.

This is a really blind statement. I know of no religion that expects punishment when learning. Many of the early scientists (15-1800s) were Christian believers


Hell, just 10,000 years ago we were in caves. The only answer I have for this belief in God is that virtually everyone, in every culture has been brain washed since birth to not even question the existence of God.

As opposed to atheists, who have no idea where they came from, why they are here, where they are going, or much of anything else.

Every culture has some sort of version of a God or Gods to help them understand the World around them. It gives them a sense of security.

No, it show that God is rooted deep in our culture, our minds, and our existence. Atheism however, is founded on nothing, but sheer blind self-pride. No evidence, but atheists revel in their cluelessness.

And don't even get me started on the Devil and hell. What an utterly absurd concept.

Yes, I am sure you have some more unfounded personal concepts that you will drum out as smart, even though nothing yet you have said has been.

But go on, keep mindlessly speculating. Maybe you will accidentally say something useful
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Just because Universe is complex it does not mean it was created by biblical god. That is the key mistake people make. What if all of this was created by aliens as a science project?
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Wait a minute Publix, that statement isn't religiion, its agnosticism, which I will submit still has enough modesty
to admit that this inexplixcable life we find ourselves in is just a mystery.
 
No TZ,

Atheism is based on science, religion is based on culture.

Explain this one, pure science here. Human genome is almost identical to that of chimps. If that isn't major evidence for evolution I don't know what is. You of course will state that this is not science somehow because you refuse to believe ANYTHING that provides evidence contrary to your supernatural beliefs.

And BTW, its almost impossible to prove something does not exist. Prove the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist. Come on, prove it. The onus is on religion to prove God does exist. Atheists actually don't even really care what religious people think because they can never be swayed no matter how much evidence to the contrary. Evolution, age of the earth (4.5 BILLION years old vs 5000), etc.
 
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Here is a quick list of famous atheist philosophers. Took me two seconds to find this on the web. I could get you lists of many more, but I am too lazy, and you'd dismiss it somehow anyway.

And why did I state that philosophers are atheists? Cause I took a fair amount of philosophy in college, and all my profs were atheists as the arguments for a God didn't make sense. And this was in UTAH! arguably the most religious state in the Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Atheist_philosophers
 
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" Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble"-- Einstein
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Mind, divorced from spirit, makes "the universe", apart from reality, as if it were the reality. It is not, as impressive it may seem to be. Mind makes a thinking machine - ego - to make "the universe". The universe made by the ego is a joke of Self upon Self. "The universe" masks Self from Self, making a mockery of Self. As such, "the universe" is a sordid, sadistic masquerade party, dark, and sinister. Ego is a toy that takes on a kind of "life" of it's own, seeking to prolong it's life by usurping Reality with its own. It's domain is limited, and its days are numbered. It limits, and subjects its minions to time, its own invention, determined to replace eternity with an illusion of "forever". It rules mercilessly, insanely, denying Reality in every way, shape and form. The instant it is made, the ego seeks to possess the mind of the Self that made it, taking it hostage, and converting it to belittled and bewitched beings, mindless, hypnotically programmed to look no further than "the universe", for Truth.

To succeed, the ego need only convince the mind it possesses that it's illusion is reality, or somehow related to reality as an addition, extention, expression, or improvement. The ego succeeds whenever it can pass it's offering off as meaningful, interesting, tempting, logical, unavoidable, valuable, or desirable. To the extent the ego succeeds, it destroys the mind that hosts it, possessing it without mercy, attempting to kill what gives it power.

The ego is able to impress some scientists with its ingenius machinations. It is able to fool "believers" into worshipping it and its "creation". It does not care whether you believe it made its creation in six days or six trillion years, so long as you believe it is reality itself. In this way, it fools atheist, theist, and agnostic alike, taking them all down to the grave, pitting them against each other, mocking them all the way down.

Until one identifies with the mind that makes the ego, one will be possessed by it, witnessing for it, speaking for it, supporting it, confusing itself with it. There is but one mind. This means that you made the ego and authorized it to re-make You into "the universe", and give you a tiny little kingdom within it to call your own, overruled mercilessly by circumstances.

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You may argue that Agnosticism is rational. Atheism is ignorance or based in faith in the un proveable unknown. How can you say there is no God. How could you know that.

Especially in light of recent developments in science.

Did you know that it is so unlikely that the universe would be hospitable to humans that the universe appears desgined and that the founder of String theory - said that you must have almost and infinite number of universes to combat the conclusion the universe must be designed.

Some oif the worlds top cientists now tell you that if you are an atheist you must have faith in an unseen and un proveable alternative universes just to combat the conclusion of design.
 
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Here is a quick list of famous atheist philosophers. Took me two seconds to find this on the web. I could get you lists of many more, but I am too lazy, and you'd dismiss it somehow anyway.

Huge failure on your part here. As you said "Virtually every philosopher is an atheist for a reason." So you supply a list of famous ones as proof virtually all are? You are a poor scholar.

I have doubts about your philosophy education, because first of all, you are a poor user of it as you are constantly prone to unsubstantiated and obviously weak claims(I had 2 logic classes as part of M.S. CompSci, so I am well aware of your problems)


And why did I state that philosophers are atheists? Cause I took a fair amount of philosophy in college, and all my profs were atheists as the arguments for a God didn't make sense. And this was in UTAH! arguably the most religious state in the Union.

You are such a poor match at this. You are making yourself look like a high school dropout.

Since your meager few philosophy profs area atheists, you project this as "virtually all" in the world? And somehow we rely on YOUR memory as proof that ALL of them were definitely atheists? I had 2 logic profs from the philosophy dept, and they never claimed out loud they were atheists. They taught philosophy. Come on Jayford, you are so clueless. I suspect you had one class at most, since you are so weak and unaware of philosophical argument and evidence.

Go away, and finish your G.E.D...
 
Quote from Jayford:

No TZ,

Atheism is based on science, religion is based on culture.

Atheism is based on SCIENCE? The cluelesness continues. Let us look at the definition of scientific proof:

Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical and properly documented in accordance with scientific method such as is applicable to the particular field of inquiry

So let us look at your statement:

And BTW, its almost impossible to prove something does not exist.

WHAT???? You say Atheism is based on SCIENCE - requiring evidence that is EMPIRICAL and PROPERLY DOCUMENTED - and now you run away by saying you Atheism cannot prove anything?

Get lost, amateur!!!



Explain this one, pure science here. Human genome is almost identical to that of chimps. If that isn't major evidence for evolution I don't know what is. You of course will state that this is not science somehow because you refuse to believe ANYTHING that provides evidence contrary to your supernatural beliefs.

I happen to be a theistic evolutionist, so AGAIN, you have no idea what you are talking about. The cluelessness continues...


The onus is on religion to prove God does exist. Atheists actually don't even really care what religious people think because they can never be swayed no matter how much evidence to the contrary.

You are right. Atheists cannot prove God does not exist (so much for your science argument). Atheists don't care what others think, because they are SELF-RIGHTEOUS, IGNORANT, and have no interest in anything but their own little unfounded hypothesis.

Sorry, I also have a BS in biology. You are the furthermost thing from a science person there is. You wield it like an elephant wields a fork.

Quit while you are behind. you have done nothing but embarrass yourself here.
 
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