IS a bottom near???

Quote from S2007S:

I figure it like this, I remember around DOW 13k-14k nothing could go wrong, stocks were running up day after day, new record highs week after week, eventually everyone and anyone thought it was going to last and that buying any pullback was guaranteed profits. Well how quick that changed about a year ago this time, the talking heads were saying there was enough cash on the sidelines that any minor dips would be bought even though at the time the economy started to weaken.

Fast forward to today, the opposite is now happening, there are no buyers and most talking heads are actually completely negative on the market, the psychology of this market place completely baffles me, it seems when everyone is leaning in one direction the only thing to do is lean the total opposite direction which I think may be the case today. There are so many indicators to show that just maybe a near term bottom is taking place however me being one of the biggest bears on this forum its hard to believe such a statement. Aside from me being so bearish its hard for me to say that a bottom is nearing when in fact a little thought in my head says that maybe we correct another 25-40% from these levels, I do not have the answers, no one does, but I can say that with so much negative sentiment in this market right now I would lean in the direction others are NOT leaning in, and that means to start a little buying down here, I believe this bear market is going to offer extreme rallies to the point where you will think that the recession has passed and the time to buy is now however it wont be so I would be buying these massive dips and selling the up days.

Think in the opposite direction the others are thinking in.....buy when they are selling and sell when they are buying.

I am of a like mind. I am a little under 50% in cash at this point. I don't know where the bottom is, actually i think it may well be quite a bit lower, but we see what looks like many bargains. My approach, in investment accounts, is to sell a few puts (never leveraged of course), not many, and continue selling them as long as we keep going lower, and there is enough panic to keep the prices at what seem to be absurd levels. I consider this to be buying through the backdoor, as i am perfectly happy should i be assigned.

I sell them relatively far out and a little out of the money. I will either get assigned at what i consider to be very fair net prices or i will make money on the puts, enough to compensate me for having to buy stocks at a higher price later, the same as would have happened if i waited to buy and we were in fact nearer the bottom than i realized. I would think it unlikely that the vix will stay above 50 for to many more weeks, and i want to sell those expensive puts until i run out of money. I still like the April FTO puts, and many others. One of the features i like about the refiner puts is that the probability calculations don't take into account the seasonal nature and that should give a little edge. If FTO is at 4 to six bucks in April (and i doubt that) i'm still Ok with having paid 7.50 for it.

I see traders referring to this as trying to catch a falling knife, but i consider that to be going short when something is falling at close to terminal velocity (i.e., chasing) . Instead, I'm trying to get long close enough to impact to have a reasonable chance of the bounce off the floor carrying me past my profit point. In any case, you won't here any whining from me.

I think this is going to be a doozy of a long, deep recession, so i won't be shy about grabbing profits on long positions if and when the opporunities arise. This behavior from me and others is going to make for a long, torturous climb off the bottom.
 
sitting in the office (not trading, regular IT job), been hearing people sigh about the big drops in the past weeks.... and today, lots of talk about guys pulling money out of IRA, 401K, education funds etc.

Capitulation is already here.
 
Quote from JamesVU2000:

Everyone keeps calling for capitulation.

there are three percent of all stocks above there 20 day moving average!

Ive been a super bear and I dont see how you can find value selling or shorting right now. that should have been 20 percent ago

Maybe this time we won't get capitulation. Maybe this time a slow drop is what we will see until everyone is totally satisfied selling. Have been a bear as well and think that this market is not worth shorting at this moment if anything I would wait patiently for the next bear market rally to get back in on the short side. Everyone knows earnings are going to be down significantly and to be honest with you earnings are the last thing on investors minds right now. Get the libor rates down and maybe are next concern will be earnings.
 
You may be right. Although Im not sure I would call this slow selling. there are sectors that have lost 75 percent of there value in the last two months.

I have no doubt the short ban is making thinking worse. And Bernanke doesnt have a F$$king clue what he is doing.

If this isnt a collapse than I dont know what is.
 
don't any of you guys recall 2000 -2002. We sold off 78% So how can anyone pick a bottom without seeing something tangible to hang their hat on. ANY upside will be met with selling by people who are just waiting to get out at any premium to the last couple of weeks crash!
 
Quote from iceman1:

don't any of you guys recall 2000 -2002. We sold off 78% So how can anyone pick a bottom without seeing something tangible to hang their hat on. ANY upside will be met with selling by people who are just waiting to get out at any premium to the last couple of weeks crash!

2000-2002 had some of the most violent short term rallies imaginable.

I could care less if we're close to THE bottom, but I really do think we're very near a tremendous oversold bounce.

The fact that 90% of ET thinks we're going straight to DOW 8000 makes me even more convinced it won't happen.
 
When Buffy buys the common of GE and GS then I would consider that support of a co and confidence. Ole Buffy got sweet terms that you or I will never get....you do realize that don't you?



Quote from Clubber Lang:

Buffett just put billions into GE and GS while they're plummetting.
 
Quote from 1flyfisher:

When Buffy buys the common of GE and GS then I would consider that support of a co and confidence. Ole Buffy got sweet terms that you or I will never get....you do realize that don't you?

True, but he still bucked up major $$$ on stocks that were/are in freefall.
 
He is getting preferred stock and some 10% guaranteed income, and the convertibility on.
So what exactly is your point?

Quote from Clubber Lang:

True, but he still bucked up major $$$ on stocks that were/are in freefall.
 
Is the bottom near? Depends - do you mean from a timeframe or a number? Because I cannot possibly see how - if the Dow continues to fall at about 400-500 points a day, that the bottom is that far off.

What's that mean? We hit 8000 in 3 or 4 days? Something HAS to give.
 
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