Is 10% of profit enough
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Robert Morse
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With a managed account like this where the owner of the account is paying for all their expenses, there is no need for a management fee. Based on what little information you have given us, I would ask for 20% and take that out quarterly. If you want to do it for 10%, it's your business. Just not sure why you asked if you were happy with your deal.
There's first for everything. This is my first accepting a fee to trade another persons account. The way I look at it, 10% is better than 0. Considering I was doing it for free. However small, it is a bit of a motivator. Maybe my siblings would get the hint and do the same. Wishful thinking. Anyone else trading family accounts?
Perhaps this question does not make sense, but I would ask:
What are you trading and what time span?
(is it just S&P Futures with no overnight holding or any equity for any amount of time?)
Do you have any liability (are you on the hook if you loose all the money, or is it not an issue?)
Do you have any additional fees?
If the scenario is:
You get 100k, no responsibility for loosing it, can do any investment you wish (including buy SPY ETF and hold for 5 years) and get 10% of the profit --- this would be a good deal.
What are you trading and what time span?
(is it just S&P Futures with no overnight holding or any equity for any amount of time?)
Do you have any liability (are you on the hook if you loose all the money, or is it not an issue?)
Do you have any additional fees?
If the scenario is:
You get 100k, no responsibility for loosing it, can do any investment you wish (including buy SPY ETF and hold for 5 years) and get 10% of the profit --- this would be a good deal.
It's the later. I'll be trading options sell side on mega caps including index etf and es. I think it's a good deal for both, that's the conclusion i came up. I guess pros who depend on this type of business, 10% compensation is not enough for them. Obviously they charge more. However, they could provide more, certainly from their perspective. From my experience, they would definitely provide more hotair. And explanations why they're negative return is good for long term investors. Mean while they're taking their management fees.
Yes, for free.
It think 10% is fine... if you start to ask 20 than you should maybe have a more official setup? Like you stated, there hardly any effort involved from your side... so no reason for a management fee.
I would have them pay for the paperwork though... make sure it's tight.
I don't know much about the hedgefund contract side though, so don't come knockin'!
I would have them pay for the paperwork though... make sure it's tight.
I don't know much about the hedgefund contract side though, so don't come knockin'!
About 10 year ago i managed about 100k for non family.
It was 60/40 profit split. (40% to me).
Down side risk to them was limited as i started off betting very small like 0.5% risk and increased risk only when account was in profit. Max loss on starting capital was set at 10%.
So they had limited downside and unlimited upside.
I made about 100% total for them over 3 years (ie 30% a year), that was net to them after i took out my 40% share.
Everyone should have been happy but you can bet they weren't.
They always bitched i was taking too much and when i ended it after 3 years they bitched that i had used them to build my own trading pot and i didnt need them anymore, which wasn't the case at all.
It was 60/40 profit split. (40% to me).
Down side risk to them was limited as i started off betting very small like 0.5% risk and increased risk only when account was in profit. Max loss on starting capital was set at 10%.
So they had limited downside and unlimited upside.
I made about 100% total for them over 3 years (ie 30% a year), that was net to them after i took out my 40% share.
Everyone should have been happy but you can bet they weren't.
They always bitched i was taking too much and when i ended it after 3 years they bitched that i had used them to build my own trading pot and i didnt need them anymore, which wasn't the case at all.
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Would you manage my money for me with the same arrangement: 60/40 upside, with limited down side of no more than 10%?
Question: What adjustment do you offer if and when down side is > 10%?