huh ? you're a fricken idiot for trying to rationalize this bias in operations
away.
But that's what liberal tyrants and their turd eating minions do they make up laws for everybody else while they are exempt.
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IRS Commissioner: Not Illegal To Target Groups
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away.
But that's what liberal tyrants and their turd eating minions do they make up laws for everybody else while they are exempt.
Of course they knew.
Did you see the way Obama Clintoned his press conference.
He said I did not know what was in the IG report before it was leaked.
He did not deny knowing the substance.
Just what was in the report.
Does it really take a lawyer to catch a lawyer lying.
I noticed not a single reporter commented on that very evasive answer.
Did you see the way Obama Clintoned his press conference.
He said I did not know what was in the IG report before it was leaked.
He did not deny knowing the substance.
Just what was in the report.
Does it really take a lawyer to catch a lawyer lying.
I noticed not a single reporter commented on that very evasive answer.
Quote from pspr:
Obama and Geitner knew last June!!
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The Treasury Departmentâs inspector general told senior Treasury officials in June 2012 he was auditing the Internal Revenue Serviceâs screening of politically active organizations seeking tax exemptions, disclosing for the first time on Friday that Obama administration officials were aware of the matter during the presidential campaign year.
At the first Congressional hearing into the I.R.S. scandal, J. Russell George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, told members of the House Ways and Means Committee that he informed the Treasuryâs general counsel of his audit on June 4, and Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin âshortly thereafter.â
It remained unclear how much the disclosure would affect the broader debate over the I.R.S.'s problems. Complaints from Tea Party groups that the I.R.S. was singling them out became public in 2012, through media accounts.
Mr. George told Treasury officials about the allegation as part of a routine briefing about ongoing audits he would be conducting in the coming year, and he did not tell the officials of his conclusions that the targeting had been improper, he said.
Still, the inspector generalâs testimony will most likely fuel efforts by Congressional Republicans to show that Obama administration officials knew of efforts to single out conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status for additional scrutiny, but did not reveal that knowledge during President Obamaâs re-election campaign.
Representative Paul D. Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin, who joined the Republican ticket as the vice-presidential candidate later in the year, said, âThat raises a big question.â
Representative Dave Camp of Michigan, the House Ways and Means chairman, said in opening the hearing, âThis appears to be just the latest example of a culture of cover-ups â and political intimidation â in this administration. It seems like the truth is hidden from the American people just long enough to make it through an election.â
The hearing quickly turned into partisan jousting, with House Republicans pressing to expand the inquiry to other tax misdeeds closer to the White House, while Democrats tried to keep the focus narrow and under the purview of an I.R.S. chief appointed by President George W. Bush.
Steven T. Miller, the acting I.R.S. commissioner, who has resigned, called the agencyâs actions âobnoxious,â but told the House Ways and Means Committee they were not motivated by partisanship. And in testy exchanges, he said he had not misled Congress, even though he did not divulge the targeting efforts of a Cincinnati unit examining 70,000 applications for tax exemption.
He called the groupâs centralization of applications from groups with names that included the words âTea Partyâ or âpatriotsâ simply âfoolish mistakesâ that âwere made by people trying to be more efficient in their workload selection.â
With two additional hearings already scheduled for next week, it is clear the focus of Congressional inquires will extend well beyond the selection of conservative groups for special scrutiny of their tax-exemption applications.
Mr. Camp pressed Mr. Miller and Mr. George on the releasing of tax information on Koch Industries, the giant family business of the conservative benefactors Charles and David Koch, by a former White House economist, Austan Goolsbee. He also hit on the publication of donor lists for the National Organization for Marriage, which opposes same-sex unions, and the release of confidential applications for tax-exempt status to the investigative reporting outfit ProPublica.
The incidents of releases of confidential tax information were referred to the inspector general for investigation, but were found to be inadvertent, the witnesses said.
When Republicans asked Mr. Miller whether the targeting of conservative groups was divulged to Obama administration officials outside the I.R.S., Mr. Miller said âthat would be a violation of law.â
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/18/us/politics/irs-scandal-congressional-hearings.html?hp&_r=3&
Quote from piezoe:
This is not a clear-cut issue, as presented in the brief video clip. The question asked of Miller in the video was "Do you believe it is illegal for employees of the IRS to create lists to target individuals and groups?" The question is open ended because it does not touch on the reason for targeting. Without knowing the reason the question of legality under current law can not be decided. Of course it would be possible to pass a law forbidding the IRS from targeting groups or individuals for any reason. As of now, however, no one has identified such a law. And, of course, such a law would make administering the tax code extremely inefficient, if not totally unworkable.
Miller gave the correct answer to the question asked.
You are right, the IRS has always targeted groups. Certain business dealing in cash, different business's at times and certain professions are looked at closer than others. What will invalidate his argument is if he fails to show proof of why these tea party groups were targeted. They should just get rid of the tax exempt status for everything except for pure charity organizations, no more religious or political exemptions for any of them.
Quote from pspr:
This is what people in the Obama Administration believe. We need Obama's resignation TODAY!
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This guy looks like he is getting ready to walk "The Green Mile". Guilt and Remorse at the same time.
I think getting rid of the IRS nearly wholesale is the right solution.Quote from bigarrow:
You are right, the IRS has always targeted groups. Certain business dealing in cash, different business's at times and certain professions are looked at closer than others. What will invalidate his argument is if he fails to show proof of why these tea party groups were targeted. They should just get rid of the tax exempt status for everything except for pure charity organizations, no more religious or political exemptions for any of them.
17% consumption tax across the board including business.
That would be pretty simple and fair.
Quote from PHOENIX TRADING:
I think getting rid of the IRS wholesale is the right solution.
The whole filling out the tax forms and all the reports and bullshit is a huge pain in the ass isn't it. Keeping track of everything they need is the one thing I don't like about my business. I'm to the stage now where I don't need to keep detailed records, I've scaled down my business and pay my bills and men every friday and don't have to borrow any money usually so I don't have any real need for all those damn detailed books, except for the damn irs.
The IRS has NOT always targeted political groups.Quote from bigarrow:
You are right, the IRS has always targeted groups. Certain business dealing in cash, different business's at times and certain professions are looked at closer than others. What will invalidate his argument is if he fails to show proof of why these tea party groups were targeted. They should just get rid of the tax exempt status for everything except for pure charity organizations, no more religious or political exemptions for any of them.
And, I see you are not aware of the SCOTUS rulings about campaign contributions that allowed these entities.
Right and a consumption tax would let the govt feel the pain during private sector downturns and manage accordingly "JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE".Quote from bigarrow:
The whole filling out the tax forms and all the reports and bullshit is a huge pain in the ass isn't it. Keeping track of everything they need is the one thing I don't like about my business. I'm to the stage now where I don't need to keep detailed records, I've scaled down my business and pay my bills and men every friday and don't have to borrow any money usually so I don't have any real need for all those damn detailed books, except for the damn irs.
I didn't either in my title but that is what I meant and that was the topic of discussion that the IRS commissioner was talking about with Congress when he said he didn't believe it was illegal.Quote from bigarrow:
Pspr I didn't say political groups.
Even so, unless the term 'groups' is defined narrowly, it may still involve wrongdoing.
For instance, Jewish groups were also one of the targets. If such targeting is not illegal, it should be.