IRS Admits Targeting Conservative Groups Before Election

Quote from bigarrow:

... At least with the gov. we have a say so.
Really? The same government that passed it 1) without reading it and more importantly 2) when the majority of productive tax payers opposed it?
 
Quote from Tsing Tao:

Really?

"We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it." - The Wicked Witch of the West

We have a say so with our vote. There is a better way, but the reps aren't interested in finding out or even in thinking about what would be a better way. And both the reps and dems are in the pocket of big pharmacy and big insurance companies. The reps solution is trust the ins cos and the hospitals and if you get sick then go bankrupt. This is just another way the wealth of our middle class is being transferred higher up. You don't know anyone who hasn't been screwed by the established health care system and insurance companies. There should be outrage but not just against our government but against the health system, it's a racket, a highly educated, wealthy and influential racket.
 
Remember the Romney supporter who was audited shortly after the Obama Campaign attacked him?
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Just months after being slimed by President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign, Mitt Romney supporter and businessman Frank VanderSloot was informed that he was going to be audited not only by the Internal Revenue Service, but by the Labor Department as well.

VanderSloot’s saga was told by columnist Kimberley Strassel in the Wall Street Journal last July.

In April 2012, VanderSloot, who served as the national co-chair of Mitt Romney’s presidential finance committee, was one of eight Romney backers to be defamed as ”wealthy individuals with less-than-reputable records” in a post on the Obama campaign’s website. The post, entitled “Behind the curtain: a brief history of Romney’s donors,” singled out VanderSloot for being a ”litigious, combative and a bitter foe of the gay rights movement.”

Two months later, the IRS informed VanderSloot he and his wife were going to be audited, Strassel reported. Two weeks after that, VanderSloot was notified by the Labor Department that it was going to “audit workers he employs on his Idaho-based cattle ranch under the federal visa program for temporary agriculture workers,” reported Strassel.

“The H-2A program allows tens of thousands of temporary workers in the U.S.; Mr. VanderSloot employs precisely three,” Strassel wrote. “All are from Mexico and have worked on the VanderSloot ranch—which employs about 20 people—for five years. Two are brothers. Mr. VanderSloot has never been audited for this, though two years ago his workers’ ranch homes were inspected. (The ranch was fined $8,400, mainly for too many ‘flies’ and for ‘grease build-up’ on the stove. God forbid a cattle ranch home has flies.)”

“This letter requests an array of documents to ascertain whether Mr. VanderSloot’s ‘foreign workers are provided the full scope of protections’ under the visa program: information on the hours they’ve worked each day and their rate of pay, an explanation of their deductions, copies of contracts,” she continued.

In her column, Strassel raised the specter that the IRS targeted VanderSloot for his political activism.


http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/13/f...by-obama-campaign-then-subjected-to-2-audits/
 
Quote from bigarrow:

Captn you know there have always been thugs running healthcare, hospitals and ins co's . At least with the gov. we have a say so.
I'm for some form of gov health care, this isn't it though it may morph into a better plan. The real solution is for America to get healthier. The culprits are big agri business and fast food and the food processors, well the US consuming their products are the problem anyway. I think that's part of the problem, everyone is looking at the symptoms of the health care problems instead of the causes, just like our health care system treats symptoms instead of causes in diseases.

So you want to replace the insurance thugs with IRS thugs? That's not much of an improvement, and one could easily argue will make matters worse. The only thing more cold and calulating than a insurance adjuster/actuary, is an IRS agent.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

So you want to replace the insurance thugs with IRS thugs? That's not much of an improvement, and one could easily argue will make matters worse. The only thing more cold and calculating than a insurance adjuster/actuary, is an IRS agent.
Ditto!

I have at least some recourse with an insurance company. What the fuck are you going to do if you disagree with the IRS?
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

So you want to replace the insurance thugs with IRS thugs? That's not much of an improvement, and one could easily argue will make matters worse. The only thing more cold and calulating than a insurance adjuster/actuary, is an IRS agent.

yeah, like fines, penalties, and worse. Insurance companies are subject to contract law. IRS is the law, and the oppression that comes with it.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

So you want to replace the insurance thugs with IRS thugs? That's not much of an improvement, and one could easily argue will make matters worse. The only thing more cold and calulating than a insurance adjuster/actuary, is an IRS agent.

Well the congress should identify the problem and solve it or improve it, that won't happen so this is what we get a political power play that both sides are damn good at playing. The problem I have with the right is they are of the opinion that dems are 100% wrong and they are 100% right when their track record and the other sides track record proves otherwise. On Sunday when Kucinich was blasting the Obama administration over Benghazi and blasting the IRS over what they did, he showed what a real representative an honest spokesman for the people would do...stand up for what's right regardless of the political party. That is something you don't see many on either side doing, and we see where his ethics got him in his presidential run.
 
Quote from bigarrow:

We have a say so with our vote.

We, as a populace, only have "say so" when the populace is informed and makes educated decisions based on information presented.

Instead, votes go to popularity contests, driven by media outlets not concerned with facts but perception, doled out to a populace of sheep who are more interested in who will win next season's "Dancing with the Stars" and what the next addition to Wendy's dollar menu will be, and whether they have enough on their EBT card to get it.
 
So glad the IRS got flagrantly busted.
I been telling you people forever that the IRS is the the biggest terrorist organization in the USA.
The IRS is a much bigger threat to the well being of the average USA citizen than Al-Qaeda ever dreamed of being.

Here's, basically, the answer: www.fairtax.org
 
Quote from BSAM:

So glad the IRS got flagrantly busted.
I been telling you people forever that the IRS is the the biggest terrorist organization in the USA.
The IRS is a much bigger threat to the well being of the average USA citizen than Al-Qaeda ever dreamed of being.

Here's, basically, the answer: www.fairtax.org

Heartily agree with everything you've said there.
 
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