Iraqis Drag U.S. Corpses Through Streets
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A former SEAL goes to Iraq for specific reasons. Perhaps a better label for Helveston would be "mercenary" or "advisor" or "profiteer." I could not say, since I don't know what he was doing there. If you do, please enlighten us, since you seem to be a SEAL devotee. Do you like Jesse Ventura?
But don't pretend Helveston was a civilian in the same sense that I am a civilian. The fact that you employ such euphemism betrays your bias. Likewise your rhetoric about "murder."
But don't pretend Helveston was a civilian in the same sense that I am a civilian. The fact that you employ such euphemism betrays your bias. Likewise your rhetoric about "murder."
Quote from axeman:
What are you trying to say here? If a forgeigner is not
doing humanitarian work its OK to murder him?
Yes - he was a civilian. He has been out of the military for years.
peace
axeman
A former SEAL goes to Iraq for specific reasons. Perhaps a better label for Helveston would be "mercenary" or "advisor" or "profiteer." I could not say, since I don't know what he was doing there.
Thank you for clarifying you have no idea why this CIVILIAN
was in iraq. You dont know. Ok...we got that part.
I guess you still think its ok to murder foreign civilians. You sick bastard
If you do, please enlighten us, since you seem to be a SEAL devotee. Do you like Jesse Ventura
I am? Are you on crack now or something?
I never said anything that implies this in any way.
But don't pretend Helveston was a civilian in the same sense that I am a civilian. The fact that you employ such euphemism betrays your bias. Likewise your rhetoric about "murder."
Semantic word games. Lets be clear. The guy was a fitness dude,
stunt man, and actor for many years after being a seal.
He was NOT in the military, he was a civilian. End of story.
Rhetoric about murder? Are you saying these civilians
were not murdered???
Do you have ***ANYTHING*** to back up what you have said?
You have done nothing but posted completely unsupported
opinionated conspiracy crap so far
Ok ok ok...we know we know.... YOU DONT KNOW.
You already made that clear
peace
axeman
Thank you for clarifying you have no idea why this CIVILIAN
was in iraq. You dont know. Ok...we got that part.
I guess you still think its ok to murder foreign civilians. You sick bastard
If you do, please enlighten us, since you seem to be a SEAL devotee. Do you like Jesse Ventura
I am? Are you on crack now or something?
I never said anything that implies this in any way.
But don't pretend Helveston was a civilian in the same sense that I am a civilian. The fact that you employ such euphemism betrays your bias. Likewise your rhetoric about "murder."
Semantic word games. Lets be clear. The guy was a fitness dude,
stunt man, and actor for many years after being a seal.
He was NOT in the military, he was a civilian. End of story.
Rhetoric about murder? Are you saying these civilians
were not murdered???
Do you have ***ANYTHING*** to back up what you have said?
You have done nothing but posted completely unsupported
opinionated conspiracy crap so far
Ok ok ok...we know we know.... YOU DONT KNOW.
You already made that clear
peace
axeman
Quote from axeman:
Thank you for clarifying you have no idea why this CIVILIAN
was in iraq. You dont know. Ok...we got that part.
I guess you still think its ok to murder foreign civilians. You sick bastard
axeman [/B]
Yes, you've got me pegged. I just love to see foreign civilians murdered indiscriminately. That's it exactly. You win the debate.
Sorry -- confused you with this guy:
I can't keep you people straight.
"End of story?" That settles it. You've won another part of the debate merely by repeating yourself. What guile. Thank you, axeman.
Doesn't that depend on what they were doing there? Is a soldier killed in action "murdered?" If a robber is shot while robbing, is it "murder?" If a foreign occupier drove down your street, would you take a shot at him if you could, and if you killed him, would you call it "murder?"
Quote from axeman:
Do you have ***ANYTHING*** to back up what you have said?
You have done nothing but posted completely unsupported
opinionated conspiracy crap so far
axeman [/B]
On the contrary -- I've asked a specific question: What was Helveston doing there? It matters. If you don't like skepticism, move to Iraq.
Doesn't that depend on what they were doing there? Is a soldier killed in action "murdered?" If a robber is shot while robbing, is it "murder?" If a foreign occupier drove down your street, would you take a shot at him if you could, and if you killed him, would you call it "murder?"
Here are the FACTS. Unless you can provide evidence
to the contrary is was MURDER.
He was a civilian.
He was killed.
This is what was reported.
Now you can spin conspiracy theories all day long, but the
facts right now are, he was a MURDERED CIVILIAN.
Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary. So far you have failed to do so.
On the contrary -- I've asked a specific question: What was Helveston doing there? It matters. If you don't like skepticism, move to Iraq.
On the contrary???? LMAOOO... In case you didnt know,
A QUESTION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE EVIDENCE.
"End of story?" That settles it. You've won another part of the debate merely by repeating yourself. What guile. Thank you, axeman.
He has been reported as a CIVILIAN. You have provided
nothing to the contrary. So yes, the facts support my position,
not yours.
When you actually have something to put on the table other
than QUESTIONS POSING AS EVIDENCE, and mere unsupported
OPINIONS, come back to the table.
peace
axeman
Here are the FACTS. Unless you can provide evidence
to the contrary is was MURDER.
He was a civilian.
He was killed.
This is what was reported.
Now you can spin conspiracy theories all day long, but the
facts right now are, he was a MURDERED CIVILIAN.
Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary. So far you have failed to do so.
On the contrary -- I've asked a specific question: What was Helveston doing there? It matters. If you don't like skepticism, move to Iraq.
On the contrary???? LMAOOO... In case you didnt know,
A QUESTION DOES NOT CONSTITUTE EVIDENCE.
"End of story?" That settles it. You've won another part of the debate merely by repeating yourself. What guile. Thank you, axeman.
He has been reported as a CIVILIAN. You have provided
nothing to the contrary. So yes, the facts support my position,
not yours.
When you actually have something to put on the table other
than QUESTIONS POSING AS EVIDENCE, and mere unsupported
OPINIONS, come back to the table.
peace
axeman
"Doesn't that depend on what they were doing there? Is a soldier killed in action "murdered?" If a robber is shot while robbing, is it "murder?" If a foreign occupier drove down your street, would you take a shot at him if you could, and if you killed him, would you call it "murder?"
If the united states lost a war to a foreign nation which occupied
us, and imposed a new set of laws, and then I SHOT and killed
one of the their civilians, and it was NOT self defense, then it is
obviously murder.
Would I expect to go to court an say "Well you see, its not really
murder, because during the war, you were the enemy, and now
that the war is over, and you are the law, Im still mad, so I
just killed this dude", AND THEN EXPECT TO GET OFF. LMAO.
What part dont you understand?
Of COURSE its murder! Duh.
So you must think its OK for iraqis to KILL american civilians?
Is that what you are saying? If not, what EXACTLY *ARE*
you trying to say?
Your not making any sense.
As far as we know, the guy was a civilian and was murdered
by iraqis.
Until further information is revealed to the contrary, we can
only conclude THIS WAS MURDER.
peace
axeman
If the united states lost a war to a foreign nation which occupied
us, and imposed a new set of laws, and then I SHOT and killed
one of the their civilians, and it was NOT self defense, then it is
obviously murder.
Would I expect to go to court an say "Well you see, its not really
murder, because during the war, you were the enemy, and now
that the war is over, and you are the law, Im still mad, so I
just killed this dude", AND THEN EXPECT TO GET OFF.
LMAO.What part dont you understand?
Of COURSE its murder! Duh.
So you must think its OK for iraqis to KILL american civilians?
Is that what you are saying? If not, what EXACTLY *ARE*
you trying to say?
Your not making any sense.
As far as we know, the guy was a civilian and was murdered
by iraqis.
Until further information is revealed to the contrary, we can
only conclude THIS WAS MURDER.
peace
axeman
Try this one: Someone murders your wife or kid. You have the opportunity to kill them, and you do, but you get caught. You're convicted and sentenced for murder. So, you're a murderer. You wanna call the Iraqis who killed the American civilians murderers -- fine. But they had their reasons, just like you'd have yours if you were in their place. No, I don't want to see Americans killed -- but, then, I'm not surprised or outraged when it happens under these circumstances, just like I'm not surprised that U.S. soldier have shot dead dozens of Iraqi citizens during the past year. Helveston and others chose to go to Iraq for selfish reasons. They knew the risks. They got dead. Live by the sword, die by the sword. We might agree on those facts. But, unlike you, apparently, I choose to ask WHY they were there because it speaks to the larger issue. People get dead in Iraq daily. Why they get dead is another matter. You don't wanna know, keep repeating your murder mantra. Or maybe the nuke mantra, like our more hysterical friends in this forum.
Quote from axeman:
"Doesn't that depend on what they were doing there? Is a soldier killed in action "murdered?" If a robber is shot while robbing, is it "murder?" If a foreign occupier drove down your street, would you take a shot at him if you could, and if you killed him, would you call it "murder?"
If the united states lost a war to a foreign nation which occupied
us, and imposed a new set of laws, and then I SHOT and killed
one of the their civilians, and it was NOT self defense, then it is
obviously murder.
Would I expect to go to court an say "Well you see, its not really
murder, because during the war, you were the enemy, and now
that the war is over, and you are the law, Im still mad, so I
just killed this dude", AND THEN EXPECT TO GET OFF.
What part dont you understand?
Of COURSE its murder! Duh.
So you must think its OK for iraqis to KILL american civilians?
Is that what you are saying? If not, what EXACTLY *ARE*
you trying to say?
Your not making any sense.
As far as we know, the guy was a civilian and was murdered
by iraqis.
Until further information is revealed to the contrary, we can
only conclude THIS WAS MURDER.
peace
axeman
Aaahhh the mysterious "But they had their reasons".
Yeah your right... its not REALLY murder.
Excuse me your honor, but I killed that man because
"I had my reasons", so its not murder...wink wink...
Dude, your going off the deep end.
So again I ask you..... (and why dont you actually answer
my question this time ).....
WHY is it OK for iraqis to KILL american CIVILIANS?
Because they lost a war?
So in Nazi germany, when some guy kills an american civilian
who shows up after the war has ended, its OKAY, because
you know.... he had his reasons???
This is a joke right?
Further.... you wife and kid analogy is a strawman.
Did the american civilians kill any iraqis? Did they kill
any iraqi family members? Where is the ANALOGY part
of that analogy?
peace
axeman
Yeah your right... its not REALLY murder.
Excuse me your honor, but I killed that man because
"I had my reasons", so its not murder...wink wink...
Dude, your going off the deep end.
So again I ask you..... (and why dont you actually answer
my question this time ).....
WHY is it OK for iraqis to KILL american CIVILIANS?
Because they lost a war?
So in Nazi germany, when some guy kills an american civilian
who shows up after the war has ended, its OKAY, because
you know.... he had his reasons???
This is a joke right?
Further.... you wife and kid analogy is a strawman.
Did the american civilians kill any iraqis? Did they kill
any iraqi family members? Where is the ANALOGY part
of that analogy?
peace
axeman