Iraq war poll: 61% of Americans want to continue fight

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Quote from hapaboy:

Loaded question...how many did we lose in a couple of world wars and Korea?

How many American lives is it worth to make Iraq a stable democracy if doing so may transform the region, as happened to Eastern Europe?

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Under Clinton we suffered a little over 900 military deaths per year. Under Bush so far we have suffered something over 700 per year even with the war. So leaving Iraq won't reduce that to zero.

To get an accurate picture of the life cost you have to look at killed in action figures only because there is a high accident figure in the military even in peace time.

So far we have averaged about 65 deaths per month which is the lowest number in all of the wars in our history except the Revolutionary war which was 10 per month less.



Conflict KIA/Month
Revolutionary War 55
War of 1812 75
Mexican War 87
Civil War: Union 2,293
Confederate 1,553
Combined 3,846
Spanish-American War 96
World War I 2,816
World War II 6,639
Korean War 909
Vietnam War 526
Gulf War 148

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

( Bush has no stop loss, he is trading with other people's money and lives)

Bush draws Vietnam lesson for Iraq: don't quit
Nov 17 8:47 AM US/Eastern



US President George W. Bush, making his first visit to Vietnam, said that one lesson of the bloody US military defeat here a generation ago was that the United States must be patient in Iraq.

"We'll succeed unless we quit," promised Bush, the second US president to visit post-war Vietnam, after talks with close ally Australian Prime Minister John Howard on the sidelines of an Asia Pacific summit in Hanoi.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/17/061117134723.b5pa72t9.html

Quote from Pekelo:

No, simple question. I assume you wouldn't sacrifice 1 million Americans, but you are OK with 3000, so the stop loss number should be somewhere in between. So here is an exercise for you:

Start going up and keep asking yourself : Is 10K dead Americans worthy of Iraqi freedom? If you said yes, keep going up. After a while you will reach a number when you say: Ah, that is just too many. Please post that number. Just one simple number, please...

By the way, the US lost 50K soldiers in Vietnam for the Vietnamese freedom, that didn't come true. And at the very end Vietnam just like China is getting to be capitalist...


By the way another question: How many US soldier should die for the North Korean freedom? Well, for a burger, let's throw in the Tibetian freedom too, and for a Chrirtmas present, the Chinese freedom too....

P.S.: We are on a trading message board, and before each trade you should know what is the maximum pain that you can bear.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Uhhh, in those previous wars, did we see this:

<img src=http://www.jsp.org/i/2005/11/mission-accomplished.jpg>

Quote from Doubter:

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Under Clinton we suffered a little over 900 military deaths per year. Under Bush so far we have suffered something over 700 per year even with the war. So leaving Iraq won't reduce that to zero.

To get an accurate picture of the life cost you have to look at killed in action figures only because there is a high accident figure in the military even in peace time.

So far we have averaged about 65 deaths per month which is the lowest number in all of the wars in our history except the Revolutionary war which was 10 per month less.



Conflict KIA/Month
Revolutionary War 55
War of 1812 75
Mexican War 87
Civil War: Union 2,293
Confederate 1,553
Combined 3,846
Spanish-American War 96
World War I 2,816
World War II 6,639
Korean War 909
Vietnam War 526
Gulf War 148

 

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Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Uhhh, in those previous wars, did we see this:

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So according to you we are still fighting Sadaam and aren't occupying Iraq. The mission to topple Sadaam and change the regime which was started under Clinton has been accomplished. The rebuilding process is ongoing.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

We weren't sold a rebuilding, NATION BUILDING, process...

They call it bait and switch...

Quote from Doubter:

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Uhhh, in those previous wars, did we see this:

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So according to you we are still fighting Sadaam and aren't occupying Iraq. The mission to topple Sadaam and change the regine which was started under Clinton has been accomplished. The rebuilding process is ongoing.

 

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Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

We weren't sold a rebuilding, NATION BUILDING, process...

They call it bait and switch...

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You couldn't have handled the long range necessities of rebuilding and establishing a presence in the middle of Radical Islamo Fascism. You can only think of retreating home and then burying your head in the sand or wherever else the sun doesn't shine and hope they leave us alone.

You are due for a rude awakening. You won't be able to defend yourself with a big mouth keyboard. In a way there would be some pleasure in seeing that.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

You guys crack me up.

Wrong, over and over again.

If yall klans had any brains, you would look back to those who predicted that Iraq would be a clusterfuck, and heed their warnings now, pay attention to those who were right...not loozer neoklans who were dead wrong.

But, neoklans think they got it wired.

Pathetic...

Quote from Doubter:

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You couldn't have handled the long range necessities of rebuilding and establishing a presence in the middle of Radical Islamo Fascism. You can only think of retreating home and then burying your head in the sand or wherever else the sun doesn't shine and hope they leave us alone.

You are due for a rude awakening. You won't be able to defend yourself with a big mouth keyboard. In a way there would be some pleasure in seeing that.

 

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Posted 11/16/2006

Foreign Affairs: A nation that's defended Europe from aggression in the 60 years since World War II is asking why Iraq can't defend itself. The fact is, Iraqis risk their lives for their country every day.

Clearly the days when Democrats warned of a long twilight struggle and pledged to pay any price and bear any burden to ensure the success and survival of liberty are over, judging from remarks by Carl Levin, incoming chairman of the Senate Armed Service Committee.

"We cannot save the Iraqis from themselves," Levin opined Wednesday at a Capitol Hill press conference. "The only way for Iraqi leaders to squarely face that reality is for President Bush to tell them that the United States will begin a phased redeployment of our forces within four to six months."

"We cannot be their security blanket," he added. But why not, if it's in our best long-term security interest?

Yes, we should demand more of the Iraqis. But those who ask whether we can or should stop Iraqis from killing themselves forget that we're in this to stop others from killing us and using Iraq as a base camp from which to do it.

We've been Europe's security blanket for six decades. We are Japan's security blanket. We are South Korea's. It's been said that were it not for us, the French would be speaking German and the Germans would be speaking Russian. In 1938, the West decided it couldn't be Czechoslovakia's security blanket and sold out that country in Munich, Germany. The rest, as they say, is history.

"Phased redeployment" is a code word for retreat, one that may one day, Senator Levin, lead to car bombs going off in the streets of Detroit, not Baghdad. We forget that this war really began when a truck bomb went off in the parking garage of the World Trade Center in 1993, nearly killing tens of thousands.

Iraqis — civilians, military and police — are risking their lives for their country every day, from the millions who proudly held up their purple fingers to the young police applicants who are murdered as they line up to serve their country. Then more line up in their place.

Are the Arabs ready for democracy or are they doomed by an ingrained tribalism? We need only to look at Lebanon, where a multicultural democracy once flourished. Beirut was called the Paris of the Middle East until the country became a human shield for the PLO and then Hezbollah terrorists supported by Syria and Iran.

The Lebanese might have sustained their multicultural democracy had we not cut and run after Hezbollah killed 241 Marines in Beirut in 1983, deciding we could no longer afford to be Lebanon's security blanket. Sometimes democracies need a little help from their friends.

Sectarian violence needs to be dealt with effectively by the new Iraqi government. But we are reminded that Americans did a good job of killing each other from 1861-65 in a war against ourselves that consumed more lives than all our other wars. We invented sectarian violence.

Democracy is a fragile and rare commodity. We forget how close this government of the people and by the people actually came to perishing from the earth. It might not ever have come into being if a French fleet hadn't provided a security blanket at Yorktown.

Our death toll in Iraq isn't close to the carnage of a single battle in World War II, Iwo Jima or one in our own Civil War, Antietam. Ironically, the place where John Murtha would have us "redeploy" to — Okinawa — was the site of one of the bloodiest battles in human history, due in part to the imperial Japanese version of the truck bomb, the kamikaze.

After Desert Storm we told the Iraqis to seize the moment, only to do nothing when they did and watch Saddam Hussein slaughter them. That sense of betrayal lingers and is not dampened by the results of the midterm election or the current talk of abandonment or redeployment.

If we want the Iraqis to step up to the plate, it doesn't help to be threatening to take our bats and balls and go home.

 

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And we brainwash our kids to be racist too.

What red blooded american solder wouldn;t like to waste a few r_g heads as they are taught. And then laugh about it later. Pure evil.


An article in the Wall st journal last week said that Japenese were "barbaric" to their POWs in WW2 by beheading them.

Is that as barbaric as killing scores of innocent civillians in non-military target towns with the most barbaric WMD known to mankind - aton bomb? Imagine all the flesh dripping off as their lay there screaming, all the cancer afterwards, but we don't care about that. ALL were innocent civillians just living as we do. 100,000s of tousands, all nececities of life wiped out in a terror act.

Why oh why do they hate us, I can't possibly think of why


Israel army has wiped out thousands of palestaniens over the years, yet if they fight back they are 'terrorists'. Racism at work again, we are taught that palistinians are sub-human.

 

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If we cut and run will that end the threat of Radical Islamo Fascism and their promise to destroy the Jews and us?

Will Iran stop its' race for the bomb and the missiles to deliver it to our eastern shore?

Will the muslims stop brainwashing their preschoolers to hate us and pledge themselves to our destruction?

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Just days after the election, Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei referred to the GOP losses in the congressional elections a “victory for Iran."

Officials from Iran and Syria (Jerusalem(CNSNews.com) said that a Democrat-controlled Congress could help relieve pressure that had been put on them by the current administration.

Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, leader of Iraq’s al Qaeda wing (DUBAI, Nov 10 (Reuters) said the Democrat victory was a step in the right direction. Then he said, "I swear by God we shall not rest from jihad until we ... blow up the filthiest house known as the White House."

Lorie Byrd