Iran’s attack on Israel "imminent"

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theatlantic.com
A Test of Strength
Apr. 14th, 2024

Israel stopped an Iranian drone and missile barrage last night, with help from the United States Navy, Britain’s Royal Air Force, and Israel’s Arab allies.

Israel’s Arab allies is a strange phrase to write in the midst of the war in Gaza, but it’s important to understand. The Jordanian air force shot down many of the Iranian drones, Reuters reported—meaning Arabs flew and fought to protect Israel. The Economist speculated that Saudi Arabia may have provided surveillance and refueling assistance to the Jordanian planes. Alliances are a powerful asset. They also come with a price, which is that allies’ views need to be consulted. Those allies, especially the United States, are saying: Pause here. That’s advice Israel may not like but would be wise to ponder.

Every item in the ledger of Iran’s offenses against peace should be carefully preserved for future repayment: the missile attacks on Red Sea shipping by Iran’s proxies in Yemen; the Hezbollah missiles against Israel’s north; and the Iranian role in the Hamas massacre of October 7. But the repayment can wait until the right time and then be settled in the right way.

Last night, Iran struck back with a lot of noise and commotion but impressively little result. Iran put on a big show for the world. Like the sword-waving warrior in the first Indiana Jones movie, Iran made a spectacle of its weapons. Indiana Jones did not perform an equal show. He simply shot the swordsman. In the same way, Israel does not need to meet like with like. It needs only to inflict an appropriate cost that Iran will feel. The less fuss, the better. Maintaining Israel’s network of regional and international partnerships matters as much for Israel’s security as a conspicuous retaliation.



 
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Israeli war cabinet says it's ready to respond to Iran's attack but delays immediate action.

The hours-long Israeli war cabinet meeting ended Sunday night without a decision on how Israel will respond to Iran’s missile and drone attack, an Israeli official said.

The cabinet is determined to respond — but has yet to decide on the timing and scope and the official said the military has been tasked with coming up with additional options for a response.

Separately, a senior Biden administration official told reporters that an Israeli official told the United States that it's not looking to significantly escalate the showdown with Iran.

CNN analyst Barak Ravid said Israeli ministers Benny Gantz and Gadi Eisenkot advocated for swift action, but US President Joe Biden's phone call with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu led to a decision to delay the response until the next day.

Here are the latest headlines:
  • Retaliation is over, Iran told US: Iran privately messaged the United States that its retaliation against Israel had concluded, echoing what Tehran said publicly, according to a senior administration official. Late Saturday, Iran said its attack on Israel is a response to Israel's strike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus, and "the matter can be deemed concluded." However, President Ebrahim Raisi said any “new aggression against the interests of the Iranian nation will be met with a heavier and regrettable response,” according to Iran’s state news channel IRIB.
  • United Nations response: UN Secretary-General António Guterres called for a de-escalation of violence after Iran’s attack. Guterres said the United Nations and member countries have a “shared responsibility” to engage “all parties concerned to prevent further escalation.” He also called for a ceasefire in the Israel-Gaza conflict. “Neither the region nor the world can afford more war,” he said.
  • G7 and others: Amid a flurry of diplomatic activity in response to Iran's attack, the G7 nations said they would work together to "stabilize the situation" in the Middle East, according to a statement from Biden. Also, Jordan summoned Iran's ambassador in Amman on Sunday after it intercepted Iranian drones over the country.
 
Drawdown Addict said:
Israel claimed to have intercepted Iranian drones.
Videos from locals show something different.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1779628339776405738
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I doubt the hit rate is that good.
Hard to get the whole true story.

We don't know how many missiles/drones were actually fired from Iran.
Who knows, some Iran missiles/drones mulfunctioned and dropped into Iraq/Syria/Lebanon/Jordan soil or the Mediterranean Sea.
Or some missiles/drones hit the commercial airplane / night birds.

Who knows, Israel misfired and hit their land (or US airplane since it
was flying during that time).
 
Laissez Faire said:
What do you mean by not doubting that Hamas commits terrorist acts? Is that even up to debate?

Hamas is widely recognized as a terrorist organization. Their charter literally states that the goal is to eliminate Israel and that negotiated resolutions are not acceptable. This is jihad.

Wikipedia:

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Where did you get those numbers?

The number I can find for the terrorist attack on the 7th of October is 1139.

In my world, it's a big difference between a terrorist attack where civilians are deliberately targeted and civilian casualties in a war. Have there ever been a war without civilian casualties? Sadly, that's the outcome of any war and if you think I find any joy in this war and the loss of civilian life, you got it wrong.

Maybe Israel could have handled it differently. I don't claim to hold the answers. But from what I've seen, they've given civilians warnings to evacuate well in advance and they're also supplying humanitarian aid to the civilians. I'm sure that's unprecedented in a war. Do you see Russia supplying humanitarian aid or warning the civilians to evacuate in advance of an attack?

Some people say it's a genocide, but there are two million people living in Gaza and the war have been raging for 5 months now. If Israel truly wanted the civilian casualites could have been way, way higher in just a few days. One could argue that it's impressive that they're not by now.

We can dumb it down using a @NoahA type of analogy:

Let's say you're living in a well protected castle trying to live your life in peace, but on the outskirts of town there's a large group of people who's main goal is to eliminate you and your entire familiy. And they will keep doing so regardless of how small their chances are. They could have chosen to build a community for themselves and to live in peace with their neighbor, but all resources are channeled towards this goal at the expense of the rest of the people living there.

On a daily basis they're attacking you, but thanks to a good defense system most of the attacks are ineffective except a few minor casualties now and then. You are NOT launching attacks back at this point although you could easily do so, but admittedly you have a well defended border as there's been a history of these people sneaking in to commit attacks on your family and blowing up things.

However, one day the enemy manages to sneak in a back door and slaughters a great deal of your family in the most brutal way, take over 200 of your family as hostages (including children, woman and elderly people) and take them back to their place and go in hiding among the civilians which they have no moral qualms about using as human shields.

How would you respond? Should you just turn the other cheek and accept this or would you strike back and try to save your family even if it meant innocent people would be killed as a consequence?



On this we can agree.

However, a big difference is that even if Israel truly hates the Palestinian people which I'm sure is true, they do NOT have a goal of eliminating them.

That can not be said of Hamas.
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Children.... I meant children.

To me, they are both child killers.

One as terrorist group fighting an oppressor, and the other one as the oppressor.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document...at there,deliberately inflicting on the group
 
cesfx said:
Children.... I meant children.

To me, they are both child killers.

One as terrorist group fighting an oppressor, and the other one as the oppressor.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/anatomy-of-a-genocide-report-of-the-special-rapporteur-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-the-palestinian-territory-occupied-since-1967-to-human-rights-council-advance-unedited-version-a-hrc-55/#:~:text=This report finds that there,deliberately inflicting on the group
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Yes, but in my view, it's a vital difference between deliberately targeting and slaughtering civilians in a terrorist attack and civilian casualties in warfare. Those numbers are still terrible and it's hard to sympathize with Israel in that light.

Yet, it's still a difficult situation for Israel as they're literally surrounded by groups and states that want to annihilate them. Hamas would never accept any compromise and they don't negotiate. Hamas' charter states it clearly as I showed in my prior post. Their goal is to destroy Israel and they will keep trying for as long as it takes or until they're dead. If they die in battle, then all the better as they'll get to heaven and will be rewarded with sweet virgins waiting for them.

If Hamas cared one minute about civilian lives they wouldn't be hiding amongst them and literally sacrificing them as human shields. They could easily have surrendered and released the hostages.

As for being an oppressor, I think it's complicated. The reason for the blockage on Gaza was due to Hamas seizing power on the Gaza strip and as such necessary to protect the citizens of Israel.

There are no easy answers in this conflict.

But like I wrote earlier, if Hamas laid down their arms there would be peace. If Israel laid down their arms they would be dead.

Iran launched a massive attack on Israel this Saturday and have been funding various groups over the years to fight Israel. They all share the same goal and hatred. If Israel didn't defend themselves or fight back, they'd be gone a long time ago.

I don't have a strong part or interest in this conflict, but I'm mainly speaking up since I've seen such a one-sided coverage of this conflict in the media. At least here in Norway. And my impression is that it's similar worldwide.
 
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Israeli response to Iran attack may be 'imminent,' source says

U.S. officials expect a possible Israeli response to Iran’s attack over the weekend to be limited in scope and most likely involve strikes against Iranian military forces and Iranian-backed proxies outside Iran, four U.S. officials said.

The U.S. assessment is based on conversations between American and Israeli officials that happened before Iran fired more than 300 drones and missiles at Israel on Saturday night.

As Israel was preparing for a possible Iranian attack last week, Israeli officials briefed U.S. officials about possible response options, the U.S. officials said.

The U.S. officials stressed that they have not been briefed on Israel’s final decision about how it will respond and that the options could have changed since the weekend attack. They also said it is not clear when an Israeli response will happen, but they said it could happen at any time.
 
There seems to be some idea that Dems support Palestine, but the record doesn't show that. Biden (tele)promptly stated unequivocal support for Israel after the Iran counterattack in response to the Israeli attack on the Iranian embassy. Also Biden supports this funding tally:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1780029459644449083

I can't seem to find the money to Hamas or even to Palestine, but that second line item of $14bn to Israel sure stands out, don't it?
Both sides of the uniparty stand with Israel. Every corrupt politician I know of stands with Israel.
They like genocide, they want it, they've created enough death by war themselves.
 
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