Iran Setting Up Oil Trade Exchange In Euros

Quote from Pabst:

Exactly Babak! I'm going to PUKE at some of the insane rants on this thread.

Oil is quoted in dollars, That certainly doesn't mean that OPEC only accepts payment in dollars. LOL. Jeez, you guy's think it's like that Visa commercial where trying to pay in Yen would be like using an AMEX card. Most of the world would prefer paying in dollars because vis a vis our trade deficit (i.e. big oil importers Japan and China) are awash in greenbacks and dollar denominated commodity purchases are a way to lighten up on our currency. Given that the U.S. employs santions against Iran I suppose it galls them to see oil quoted in dollars as they see no dollars.

Further, the payment medium really isn't that important. Since Europe and Japan have even WORSE debt problems (as measured by % of GDP) than the U.S., I'm not worried that the dollar will become wallpaper.

Um...as far as I know everyone pays for oil in US$'s -- except for Iraq post 2000 and they got invaded. Coincidentally, their oil is now sold in US$'s again. The other exception is Venezuela and barter transactions. Funny, it seems to me that we supported a coup attempt there a few years back as well.

The fact that everyone has to keep dollar reserves to pay for oil clearly inflates the value of the dollar -- although by how much is debated. I have seen estimates as high as 40% (which I don't believe but it gives an idea).

Just to make my understanding of the matter clear, if you have to have dollars to buy oil then there is greater demand for dollars than there would be if you needed Euro's. This inflates the value of the dollar. The medium of the exchange does matter.

I suppose you might argue that it is a one time effect and that once countries have their basic petro-dollar needs set then there are only incremental adjustments. However, if we have the option of petro-euro's than this pool of reserve capital may shift thereby creating dollar depreciation.

By the same token as you point out, if you're China or Japan and have huge dollar surpluses -- they have Euro surpluses too by the way -- then you probably are happy to pay in US$. However, this doesn't address the basic contention that oil priced soley in dollars creates an inflated dollar.

As mentioned, the Saudi's keep a trillion bucks in the US markets. So, there is plenty of money that could be pulled out -- assuming that other oil cartel countries are as flush.

I'm happy to be educated. So, if I missed something please clarify it for me.
 
it's funny how people seem to think that in order for price to move, there has to be selling or buying. even if central banks exchange dollars for euros, wouldn't necessarily change the exchange rate/value. Let's say central bank sells dollars, inflation goes up, fed raises interest rates, demand for dollars goes up, price back to where it was.
 
Quote from trade4succes:

it's funny how people seem to think that in order for price to move, there has to be selling or buying. even if central banks exchange dollars for euros, wouldn't necessarily change the exchange rate/value. Let's say central bank sells dollars, inflation goes up, fed raises interest rates, demand for dollars goes up, price back to where it was.


Fed raises interest rates, growth slows, people sell dollar assets -- not to mention the increased cost of financing the deficit slows public sector spending as well -- and the exchange rate declines again.

There is another side to the equation you propose.
 
Quote from libertad:

Iran oil bourse:a threat to the petrodollar?
By Emilie Rutledge


Thursday 03 November 2005, 13:10 Makka Time, 10:10 GMT



Related:
High time for a single GCC currency
Is Iraq war fuelling GCC's economic boom?



Iran's decision to set up an oil and associated derivatives market next year has generated a great deal of interest.



This is primarily because of Iran’s reported intention to invoice energy contracts in euros rather than dollars.

The contention that this could unseat the dollar’s dominance as the de facto currency for oil transactions may be overstated but this has not stopped many commentators from linking America’s current political disquiet with Iran to the proposed Iranian Oil Bourse (IOB).



The proposal to set up the IOB was first put forward in Iran’s Third Development Plan (2000-2005). Mohammad Javad Assemipour, who heads the project, has said that the exchange will strive to make Iran the main hub for oil deals in the region and that it should be operational by March 2006.

Geographically Iran is ideally located as it is in close proximity to major oil importers such as China, Europe and India.



It is unlikely, in the short term at least, that large numbers of energy traders will decamp and set up shop in Iran; a country which happens to be categorized as a member of the ‘axis of evil’ by the president of the world’s largest oil importing country; the United States.

But over time Iran could take some business away from the two incumbent energy exchanges, the International Petroleum Exchange and the New York Mercantile Exchange whom both invoice sales solely in dollars.



Economic Motives


If successful the IOB will provide Iran with concrete economic benefits especially if it invoices at least some of its energy contracts in euros.

Iran has around 126bn barrels of proven oil reserves about 10 percent of the world's total, and has the world’s second largest proven natural gas reserves.

From an economic perspective, invoicing oil in euros would be logical for Iran as trade with the euro zone countries accounts for 45 percent of its total trade. More than a third of Iran’s oil exports are destined for Europe, while oil exports to the United States are non existent.



The IOB could create a new euro denominated crude oil marker, which in turn would enable GCC nations to sell some of their oil for euros. The bourse should lead to greater levels of Foreign Direct Investment in Iran’s hydrocarbon sector and if it facilitates futures trading it will give regional investors an alternative to investing in their somewhat overvalued stock markets.



Euro zone countries alone account for almost a third of Iran’s imports and currently Iran must exchange dollars earned from hydrocarbon exports into euros which involves exchange rate risk and transaction costs.

The decline in the dollar against the euro since 2002 – some 26 percent to date – has substantially reduced Iran’s purchasing power against its main importing partner.

If the decline continues more states will increase the percentage of euros vis-à-vis the dollar they hold in reserve and in turn this will increase calls both in Iran and the GCC to invoice at least some of their oil exports in euros. A move away from the dollar and a strengthening of the euro would further benefit Iran as according to a member of Iran’s Parliament Development Commission, Mohammad Abasspour, more than half of the country's assets in the Forex Reserve Fund are now euros.



It is primarily the US which stands to lose out from any move away from the petrodollar status quo, it is the world’s largest importer of oil and a move away from invoicing oil in dollars to euros will undoubtedly have a negative effect on its economy.

Fewer nations would be willing to hold the dollar in reserve which would cause a significant devaluation and result in the loss seigniorage revenues. In addition US energy related companies stand to lose out as they will be unable to participate in the bourse due to the longstanding American trade embargo on Iran.



Political Considerations



In the 1970s, not long after the collapse of the gold standard, the US agreed with Saudi Arabia that OPEC oil should be traded in dollars in effect replacing the gold standard with the oil standard.

Since then consecutive US governments have been able to print dollar bills and Treasury Bonds in order to paper over huge current account and budgetary deficits, last year’s US current account deficit was $646bn.



Needless to say the current petrodollar system greatly benefits the US; it enables it to effectively control the world oil-market as the dollar has become the fiat currency for international trade.

In terms of its own oil imports, the US. can print dollar bills without exporting commodities or manufactured goods as these can be paid for by issuing yet more dollars and T-bills.



George Perkovich, of the Washington based Carnegie Endowment for International Peace has argued that Iran’s decision to consider invoicing oil sales in euros is "part of a very intelligent strategy to go on the offense in every way possible and mobilize other actors against the US." This viewpoint however, ignores Iran’s economic motives, just because the decision, if eventually taken, displeases the US does not mean that the rationale is purely political.



In light of such sentiments and the US’s current insistence that Iran be referred to the UN Security Council Iran must consider and weigh carefully the economic benefits against the potential political costs.

Although a matter of conjecture, some observers consider Iran’s threat to the petrodollar system so great that it could provoke a US military attack on Iran, most likely under the cover of a preemptive attack on its nuclear facilities, much like the cover of WMD America used against Iraq.



In November 2000, Iraq began selling its oil in euros, its ‘Oil For Food’ account at the UN was also transferred into euros and later it converted its US$10bn UN held reserve fund into euros.

At the time of the switch many analysts were surprised and saw it as nothing more than a political statement, which in essence it may have been, but the euro has gained roughly 17 percent over the dollar between then and the 2003 US invasion of Iraq. Perhaps unsurprisingly, since the US led occupation of Iraq its oil sales are once again being invoiced in dollars.



The best policy choice for Iran would be to proceed with the IOB as planned as the economic advantages of such a bourse are clear, but in order to mitigate against the potentially greater political ‘threat’ should provide customers with flexibility.

It would make it much harder for America to object to the new bourse, overtly or covertly, if Iran allows customers to decide for themselves which currency to use when purchasing oil, such an approach would facilitate for euro purchases with out explicitly ruling out the dollar.

That be great! Euro is going below parity to stay. Iran will wish one day that they never heard the word Euro.

John
 
Both Saudia Arabia and Kuwait peg their currencies to the dollar. The riyal stays at about 3.75 to the $. So the Saudi's naturally prefer dollar denominated assets. None of the three biggest oil producers in Europe (U.K., Norway, Russia) are Euro currency. Clearly there's no outcry for change of the status quo.
Quote from ssternlight:

Um...as far as I know everyone pays for oil in US$'s -- except for Iraq post 2000 and they got invaded. Coincidentally, their oil is now sold in US$'s again. The other exception is Venezuela and barter transactions. Funny, it seems to me that we supported a coup attempt there a few years back as well.

The fact that everyone has to keep dollar reserves to pay for oil clearly inflates the value of the dollar -- although by how much is debated. I have seen estimates as high as 40% (which I don't believe but it gives an idea).

Just to make my understanding of the matter clear, if you have to have dollars to buy oil then there is greater demand for dollars than there would be if you needed Euro's. This inflates the value of the dollar. The medium of the exchange does matter.

I suppose you might argue that it is a one time effect and that once countries have their basic petro-dollar needs set then there are only incremental adjustments. However, if we have the option of petro-euro's than this pool of reserve capital may shift thereby creating dollar depreciation.

By the same token as you point out, if you're China or Japan and have huge dollar surpluses -- they have Euro surpluses too by the way -- then you probably are happy to pay in US$. However, this doesn't address the basic contention that oil priced soley in dollars creates an inflated dollar.

As mentioned, the Saudi's keep a trillion bucks in the US markets. So, there is plenty of money that could be pulled out -- assuming that other oil cartel countries are as flush.

I'm happy to be educated. So, if I missed something please clarify it for me.
 
Back
Top