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Iran May Attack Israel First
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Quote from Trader666:
What would you do if there was a draft, CowardTraderDud? Run to Canada?
Go to Canada, maybe... I'll say I'm a conscientous objector... If not... I'll go to jail. Canada isn't really an option, they'll be involved in this as well and I think that they're deporting deserters anyway...
@ Trader666...
So why do you want it so bad...? Serious question here... Are you going to fight...?
So why do you want it so bad...? Serious question here... Are you going to fight...?
Then I hope they put you in jail, CowardTraderDud, so you can be the bitch you were always meant to be.
I don't "want it so bad" CowardTraderDud but if we need to do it, we need to do it. If they need me absolutely, even though I've already done a lot more than my "fair share."Quote from CoolTraderDude:
Go to Canada, maybe... I'll say I'm a conscientous objector... If not... I'll go to jail. Canada isn't really an option, they'll be involved in this as well and I think that they're deporting deserters anyway...
Quote from CoolTraderDude:
@ Trader666...
So why do you want it so bad...? Serious question here... Are you going to fight...?
The Iranians are crazy, but they're not stupid. They won't attack Israel first. It's no secret that Israel keeps a large part of their nuclear arsenal on submarines, disguised ships at sea, aircraft in the air and other locations outside of Israel. Even if Iran launched a successful attack against Israel, they would still catch hell from the scores of nuclear weapons that would rain down on them from all directions.
Quote from pspr:
The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.
The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.
Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iranâs supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove âthis corrupting material. It is a âjurisprudential justificationâ to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.â
The article, written by Alireza Forghani, a conservative analyst and a strategy specialist in Khameneiâs camp, now is being run on most state-owned conservative sites, including the Revolutionary Guardsâ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine.
Because Israel is going to attack Iranâs nuclear facilities, Iran is justified in launching a pre-emptive, cataclysmic attack against the Jewish state, the doctrine argues.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/
Quote from tomdavis:
The Iranians are crazy, but they're not stupid. They won't attack Israel first. It's no secret that Israel keeps a large part of their nuclear arsenal on submarines, disguised ships at sea, aircraft in the air and other locations outside of Israel. Even if Iran launched a successful attack against Israel, they would still catch hell from the scores of nuclear weapons that would rain down on them from all directions.
This. I can't help to think the Ayatollahs are playing the Jew card like Saddam did: hype an exaggerated threat to rally support behind their unpopular Government. We're clearly the aggressors here. But Iran knows they can't touch Israel. If Iran dropped one abomb on Israel, the Jews would parking lot their entire country. Everyone knows that.
I am more than willing to participate in US Constitutional actions - as a blind dedicated "boot licker" you can partake in their criminal central banker lead wars - be my guest! ;-)Quote from Trader666:
Sounds more like you Paultards LACK the guts to fight for your country.
keep licking those boots! num num num num num!
Supporting your country by participating in the military when needed is NOT bootlicking.Quote from Mvector:
I am more than willing to participate in US Constitutional actions - as a blind dedicated "boot licker" you can partake in their criminal central banker lead wars - be my guest! ;-)
keep licking those boots! num num num num num!
I remember people like you who spat on returning combat veterans from Vietnam because you foolishly equated them with a government policy you didn't like.
People like you need to be deported to some some place like China or North Korea until you learn to respect the freedoms you have and the costs to keep them.
Quote from tomdavis:
The Iranians are crazy, but they're not stupid. They won't attack Israel first. It's no secret that Israel keeps a large part of their nuclear arsenal on submarines, disguised ships at sea, aircraft in the air and other locations outside of Israel. Even if Iran launched a successful attack against Israel, they would still catch hell from the scores of nuclear weapons that would rain down on them from all directions.
Think again... That's science fiction...
"SCIENCE FICTION"
In a front-page story on January 25 that prophesied war this year, the New York Times magazine spoke of Israel having "unmanned aircraft capable of carrying bombs to those targets (in Iran) and remaining airborne for up to 48 hours."
Another major U.S. news outlet said Israel's advanced drones could be used for the aerial refueling of fighter-bombers.
Both claims were ridiculed by Robert Hewson, editor of Jane's Air-Launched Weapons, as "science fiction." While Israel is widely believed to have used drones to fire on guerrillas in Gaza and Lebanon, those targets have been close, exposed and bereft of means to shoot down the slow, propeller-driven planes.
"Nobody has the ability to conduct any kind of strategic offensive warfare with drones -- not the U.S., not Israel, not anybody," Hewson said. "Such a task requires a level of technology and a force of UAVs (unarmed aerial vehicles) that does not exist and will not exist for decades."
As for drones being used to refuel aircraft for the 1,500 km - 2,000 km (900 - 1,250 miles) journey to Iran, Hewson said: "Not a chance. Not even in theory. A total impossibility."
Israel does, however, have a small number of jet-powered refueling planes.
Another focus of foreign attention has been Israel's three German-supplied Dolphin submarines.
Citing unnamed intelligence sources, the Atlantic magazine in late 2010 said two of the subs were "currently positioned in the Persian Gulf" for a potential nuclear strike on Iran. That report also said a war was likely in 2011.
The Dolphins are small, diesel-powered, designed for coastal patrols and equipped with 10 torpedo tubes - a wholly different vessel to the behemoth nuclear submarines deployed by global superpowers.
Israel neither confirms nor denies widespread assumptions it has nuclear weapons. If they are on the Dolphins, experts agree, it would be in order to allow Israel to deter enemies by signaling that it could retaliate for any catastrophic attack.
But that logic would require the submarines to be able to launch the missiles at short notice, from the Mediterranean Sea where they are based. That would obviate the need to sail to the Gulf, which would take many days via Egypt's Suez Canal and as long as a month if the Dolphins circumnavigated Africa.
"The United States is alone, perhaps in the world, in having the luxury of apportioning conventional and nuclear missions in its submarine fleet," said James Russell, a former Pentagon aide now with the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California.
"The Israelis, it strikes me, don't have that luxury."
His point was that the Dolphins are too limited in range and payload to be able to provide a variety of services -- whether conventional strikes or the latent nuclear "second strike."
GOING BALLISTIC
U.S. television network NBC said last week Israel could use "long-range rockets" against Iran, an apparent allusion to its reputed intermediate-range ballistic missiles known as Jerichos.
Sticking to its policy of strategic ambiguity, the Israelis have never acknowledged having these weapons, stoking public jitters when test launches have been carried out from a major air base outside Tel Aviv -- most recently in November.
Such high visibility in a small country with a free press may have put paid to Jerichos taking part in a surprise attack.
"Even if we have these things, they would take 10 to 12 minutes to reach Iran," said one Israeli official on condition of anonymity. "That's plenty of time for the Iranians to listen in to our media reports about the launches."
Sam Gardiner, a retired U.S. air force colonel who runs wargames for various Washington agencies, posited that Israel would use combinations of its known and rumored military assets for an attack. But he doubted they could deliver lasting damage.
"The number of targets that would have to be hit and the degree to which the targets are now hardened creates an overwhelming targeting problem for Israel," he said.
Gardiner has studied past far-reaching operations from Israel, from its air strikes in Iraq and Syria to its 1976 commando rescue of airliner hostages in Uganda to its 1985 bombing of the PLO headquarters in Tunis. But those, he said, had limited value as precedents when it came to formidable Iran:
"It seems like the more coverage issues like the Iranian nuclear programme get, the more the coverage tends toward fantasy."
The United States says it sees military force as a last resort but wants to exhaust diplomatic pressure on Iran. Some Israelis worry about their country's core ties with Washington, and its own credibility.
"I think we have reached a surfeit point, a climax, and it would best to lower the tone," former military intelligence chief Amos Yadlin told Israel Radio, referring to the media reports and knock-on debates about potential war against Iran.
(Editing by Mark Heinrich)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/05/us-iran-nuclear-israel-idUSTRE8140BG20120205
Besides none of that matters because Iran doesn't have the bomb...
Quote from Trader666:
Then I hope they put you in jail, CowardTraderDud, so you can be the bitch you were always meant to be.
I don't "want it so bad" CowardTraderDud but if we need to do it, we need to do it. If they need me absolutely, even though I've already done a lot more than my "fair share."
Piss off... It's a free country, I don't have to fight and kill people if I don't want to...! I'd fight for an issue that I believe in but I ain't fucking dying for Israel!
Translation: Mvector is a coward who tries to obfuscate his Islamofascist bootlicking.
Quote from Mvector:
I am more than willing to participate in US Constitutional actions - as a blind dedicated "boot licker" you can partake in their criminal central banker lead wars - be my guest! ;-)