Iran Enriched Uranium, Now its the Isreali Response, will they or wont they?

[traderob]

Quote from achilles28:

First. Mainstream Muslims aren't extremists or divisionists. They are moderates. Much like Protestant/Catholics in the US.

Please.

http://www.islam-qa.com/

Praise be to Allaah.

Jihaad to make the word of Allaah supreme, to protect the religion of Islam, to enable spreading the faith and to protect the things it holds sacred, is an obligation upon everyone who is able to do it. But this necessitates organizing and sending armies, lest it result in chaos leading to bad consequences. So initiating it is one of the tasks of the Muslim ruler, and the ‘ulamaa’ should encourage it. If jihaad begins and the Muslims are mobilized, then everyone who is able should answer the call, sincerely for the sake of Allaah, hoping for truth to prevail and to protect Islam. Whoever holds back from that when the call has been made, with no valid excuse, is a sinner.

And Allaah is the source of strength. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and grant them peace.
Praise be to Allaah.

In Arabic, the word jihad means striving and expending one’s energy.

In Islamic terminology, jihad means the Muslim striving to make the word of Allaah supreme and to establish His religion on earth.

The purpose of jihad in Islam is not to kill non-Muslims, rather the purpose is to establish the religion of Allaah on earth, to establish the rule of His sharee’ah, and to bring people forth from the worship of other people to the worship of the Lord of all people, from the injustice of other religions to the justice of Islam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone”

Jihaad is of various kinds, some of which are obligatory upon everyone who is accountable, and some are obligatory upon the community as a whole – if some people undertake them then the rest are relieved of the obligation. And some kinds of jihad are mustahabb.

Jihad al-nafs (jihad against one’s self) and jihad al-Shaytaan (jihad against the Shaytaan) are obligatory upon everyone who is accountable. Jihad against the munaafiqeen (hypocrites), kaafirs (disbelievers) and leaders of oppression and innovation is obligatory upon the community as a whole. Physical jihad (i.e. fighting) against the kaafirs may become an individual obligation upon everyone who is able to do it in certain circumstances, which will be described below.


Jihad against the kaafirs and hypocrites is of four kinds: with the heart, the tongue, one’s wealth and oneself. Jihad against the kaafirs is more along the lines of physical fighting whereas jihad against the hypocrites is more along the lines of using words and ideas.

“O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve, in a battlefield, never turn your backs to them.

And whoever turns his back to them on such a day — unless it be a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own), — he indeed has drawn upon himself wrath from Allaah. And his abode is Hell, and worst indeed is that destination!”

[al-Anfaal 8:16]



(www.islam-qa.com)

 

[achilles28]

Quote from Landak:

and indeed an extremist party that runs one state would wish to put them to death, as in Shariah Law.
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And thats the point.

State-sponsered oppression by the few does not equate to genuine acceptance by the masses.

In other words, it takes a dictatorial regime to hold these radical societies together.

This should come as no surprise.


Government always tends toward control and tyranny. This is human nature.

And no more true than Theocratic Islamic states where the ruling elite are using religion (instead of law) to enslave the people and maintain total control.

Its all a game. Human nature played out in a different paradigm. At least one the West hasn't seen in a few hundred years.

 

[1000]

Quote from achilles28:

No. The joke is your sorry grasp of the english language.

I never said Iran had nukes or were close to getting them. Stupid.

So the Iranian's are lying.

The even bigger joke is in the word "capability," may be you need to brush up on your understanding of the English language.

Anyway, self insults are a loser's game.

The other thing that you have been brainwashed with is the interpretation of the holy Koran.

There is a peaceful Islam and a radical Islam. Why the split.

 

[1000]

Quote from achilles28:

I don't. My comment was a facetious response to your disgusting pleas for an Iranian nuclear holocaust.

The Jews can do whatever they like. But assuming moral authority in geopolitical affairs and the sole right to nuclear weapons in the middle east is laughable.

No nation has used nuclear weapons preemptively. Confidently proclaiming Iran will be the first is idiocy.

What a load of BS.

Your arguments are predicated on nothing more than a lengthy string of assumptions whose probability is so small to render your points irrelevant.

The United States and Soviet Union survived with nukes. There is no reason why Israel and Iran can't.

I agree wholeheartedly.

And I also believe calls for an Iranian nuclear holocaust fit squarely outside that paradigm of rationale and constructive dialogue and diplomacy.

Dont you?

You want to deny Arabs the ability to develop nukes?

Develop free energy and watch their trillions in oil reserves turn to dust over night.

Of course, this will never happen. The Corporate plutocrats (military industrial complex) are well in control of this country - and yours. Suffice to say, there is far more profit in a controlled energy paradigm (owned and controlled by them), war and the potential for war then free energy could ever provide.

Sounds like you wrote all of the above with a gun to your head. You probably don't get to hear or read what the Iranian Mullah's have to say.

Where is being suicide bombers written in the holy Koran, killing innocent women and children, and Muslims alike.

Isn't there a difference between being Islamic and being Muslim?

 

[1000]

Quote from roberk:

The purpose of jihad in Islam is not to kill non-Muslims, rather the purpose is to establish the religion of Allaah on earth,

So why kill innocent women, children, the defenseless and their own Muslims. Those who killed in the name of Allaah are nothing but a bunch of kaafirs themselves, and they know it.

And the religion of Allaah has been established on Earth in the form of the Muslim religion. So why are the Mullah's hijacking a peaceful religion?

 

[traderob]

Quote from 1000:

So why kill innocent women, children, the defenseless and their own Muslims. Those who killed in the name of Allaah are nothing but a bunch of kaafirs themselves, and they know it.

And the religion of Allaah has been established on Earth in the form of the Muslim religion. So why are the Mullah's hijacking a peaceful religion?

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When it says 'established on earth', it means the whole earth: "and to bring people forth from the worship of other people to the worship of the Lord of all people, from the injustice of other religions to the justice of Islam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone”

 

[2cents]

c'mon guys, we've got extremists / wackos of all 'religions' in our countries as well and its not like they haven't bombed a few places recently... honestly do yrselves a favour, buy a plane ticket and go to indonesia, morocco or a couple other predominantly muslim countries for a week, then come back to report... why do i have so many american mates who've bought land and houses or married in those dangerous power-hungry islamic countries i wonder?...

now if you want to get a better understanding of how the middle east relates to modern-day israel, read this for instance: http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/saudpalestine.htm

and brace yourselves for some serious nuclear diplomacy ahead except this time the tables are a-turning... buck danny's turn to feel the heat ))

 

[originalskunk]

I wonder if all this war mongering might have something to do with trying to deflect attention from this upcoming trial

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/reports/2005/franklin_indictment_04aug2005.htm

 

[dddooo]

Quote from originalskunk:

I wonder if all this war mongering might have something to do with trying to deflect attention from this upcoming trial

LOL, so the president of Iran with his nuclear rhetoric and daily anti-Israel rants and threats fueling this debate is also trying to deflect attention from the trial, right? He must be on the Mossad's payroll.

 

[1000]

Quote from roberk:

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone”

So who/what/where/why/how is Allaah. Does anyone know, or are we just been jerked around by some sick blood thirsty fanatic Mullahs.