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Quote from traderNik:

Sorry to tell you this, but you're missing the political side of the equation, which is what drives Ahmedinejad. There is no question that he would rather see every Jew on the planet dead, but he's just one in a huge group who feel that way. He never said that he would 'annihilate the U.S. off the face of the world'.

And what is your proof trader???
 
Quote from WAEL012000:

Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote— they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office.

THE ACTUAL QUOTE:

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

THE PROOF:

The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

Here is the full transcript of the speech in farsi, archived on Ahmadinejad's web site
www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/speeches/1384/aban-84/840804sahyonizm.htm

THE SPEECH AND CONTEXT:

While the false "wiped off the map" extract has been repeated infinitely without verification, Ahmadinejad's actual speech itself has been almost entirely ignored. Given the importance placed on the "map" comment, it would be sensible to present his words in their full context to get a fuller understanding of his position. In fact, by looking at the entire speech, there is a clear, logical trajectory leading up to his call for a "world without Zionism". One may disagree with his reasoning, but critical appraisals are infeasible without first knowing what that reasoning is.

In his speech, Ahmadinejad declares that Zionism is the West's apparatus of political oppression against Muslims. He says the "Zionist regime" was imposed on the Islamic world as a strategic bridgehead to ensure domination of the region and its assets. Palestine, he insists, is the frontline of the Islamic world's struggle with American hegemony, and its fate will have repercussions for the entire Middle East.

Ahmadinejad acknowledges that the removal of America's powerful grip on the region via the Zionists may seem unimaginable to some, but reminds the audience that, as Khomeini predicted, other seemingly invincible empires have disappeared and now only exist in history books. He then proceeds to list three such regimes that have collapsed, crumbled or vanished, all within the last 30 years:

(1) The Shah of Iran- the U.S. installed monarch

(2) The Soviet Union

(3) Iran's former arch-enemy, Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein

In the first and third examples, Ahmadinejad prefaces their mention with Khomeini's own words foretelling that individual regime's demise. He concludes by referring to Khomeini's unfulfilled wish: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time. This statement is very wise". This is the passage that has been isolated, twisted and distorted so famously. By measure of comparison, Ahmadinejad would seem to be calling for regime change, not war.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16218.htm
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It is one thing for the fucking zioinst filth like dddooo and his ilk to start a war and it is another for them to distort facts to compel the American people to start another war on their behalf. These sons of bitches will not rest until they cause another blood bath in the region that will take the lives of American young men and civilians of another nation.

Thank you for sharing this. I wish more people could start thinking for themselves and stop Obeying everything they hear.
 
Joab.


Don't "Laugh Out Loud."

Get in Shape and Go.


1. You can still go. It is called an "age waiver."


According to the article below - it can take a year, or less if you are creative.


"When First Lt. Nathan Krissoff of Reno, Nev., was killed in Iraq a year ago, his father, Bill, an orthopedic surgeon, searched for a way to honor his son's sacrifice. The *61-year-old* decided to enlist in the Navy Medical Corps in the hope of being assigned to Iraq.

Krissoff is a taut, fit man who swims a mile every day. But a Navy medical recruiter told him that he was well past the enlistment age limit, and that getting an age waiver could take a year.

In August, the surgeon seized an opportunity when he and his wife, Christine, were invited to meet President Bush in Reno along with the families of other fallen soldiers from the area."


2. The Private Military Contractors are likely to be more lenient about age - depending upon what it is you want to do.



You are not going because you don't want to go. Talking the talk is fun - but walking the walk is completely out of the question - right?

So let's just let it end like that.
 
Quote from Mad_Alfred:

Joab.


Don't "Laugh Out Loud."

Get in Shape and Go.


1. You can still go. It is called an "age waiver."


According to the article below - it can take a year, or less if you are creative.


"When First Lt. Nathan Krissoff of Reno, Nev., was killed in Iraq a year ago, his father, Bill, an orthopedic surgeon, searched for a way to honor his son's sacrifice. The *61-year-old* decided to enlist in the Navy Medical Corps in the hope of being assigned to Iraq.

Krissoff is a taut, fit man who swims a mile every day. But a Navy medical recruiter told him that he was well past the enlistment age limit, and that getting an age waiver could take a year.

In August, the surgeon seized an opportunity when he and his wife, Christine, were invited to meet President Bush in Reno along with the families of other fallen soldiers from the area."


2. The Private Military Contractors are likely to be more lenient about age - depending upon what it is you want to do.



You are not going because you don't want to go. Talking the talk is fun - but walking the walk is completely out of the question - right?

So let's just let it end like that.

This is a great idea for the NeoCons! Now they can practice what they preach!
 
Quote from Mad_Alfred:





You are not going because you don't want to go. Talking the talk is fun - but walking the walk is completely out of the question - right?


Absolutely, I would never kill another human being UNLESS he was trying to kill me !!!

So as far as enlisting now against Iraq I think it's NUTZ.

IF my service could be used against a friggin mad man like Iran, then sign me up !!!

Till then there is nothing left to say.

btw, I have nothing but respect for the soldier and they are all in my prayers.

I never blame the man on the ground but I sure as hell blame the leaders and policy makers !!!
 
Quote from nealvan:

I'd rather send all the dope smoking liberals to the front line. We don't want war we want to be taken over. Shut the **** up stupid liberal! Since they like drugs so much just supply them with all the smoke and sniff they want. They'll die happy lol! Meanwhile at home we clean up the streets. Martial law! All the hippies will be run out and the we'll have law and order. The only people affraid of the rules are the criminals and lowlifes. Crap on Iran! We should have invaded them in the first place. They said there going to nuke us? Before that I never had a problem with them but now they spoke big words of terror I want them ANNIHILATED! There's a hole terror network and that's what we are fighting. Some of you pretend not to understand that but you know what their doing. That's why were in Iraq dumb asses. It doesn't matter if we can't prove it we know they were financing a band of terrorist and they know it! That's enough for me. Hey you bomb our capital city and our government prepare for the consequences. Anybody against this aught to get the hell out of the USA and go live in Iran, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Any major airline will help you out. Go now!

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Hear hear. You are the kind of person that makes the US what it is today :cool: One Big Mess
 
Quote from Joab:

IF my service could be used against a friggin mad man like Iran, then sign me up !!!

Till then there is nothing left to say.
Joab, I understand your fears, but don't you think you are lured in, just
like the whole country was for Iraq?
Even the NIE shows that it at least was an exaggerated fear-mongering by Bush/Cheney lately.
I'm currently almost certain that whatever the mass majority currently thinks about this issue is what they are supposed to think and therefore very probably not the truth.
Iran isn't some backward country, it just has a different culture, and for some reason they choose to elect a religious fanatic, just like the US did. Probably out of fear, just like the US did. At least Iran had the wit to vote for someone intelligent.

This is not some isolated idiot wanting to destroy a state. It has a whole history behind it, try read up and understand. It will appear not to be so 'madman' as you thought. You might even agree with them in some parts.
 
Iran, China finalise two billion dollar oil contract
16 hours ago

TEHRAN (AFP) — Iran and China's Sinopec on Sunday signed a two billion dollar contract to develop a major Iranian oil field, a crucial deal for the Iranian energy industry at a time of mounting international pressure.

The Iranian oil ministry and Sinopec inked the deal to pump oil from the Yadavaran onshore field in southwestern Iran, which was first agreed back in late 2004, at a ceremony in Tehran, an AFP correspondent reported.

"The initial estimation of cost of the project is about 2.0 billion dollars and the final cost of the project will be decided after the offering of the tenders," said Iranian Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari.

The field will be producing 185,000 barrels of oil a day within the next seven years, he added.

The signing came at a time when the United States has been pressuring European and Asian firms, including oil majors, to cut their business ties with Iran to exert pressure on the Islamic republic in the nuclear crisis.

"The signing shows that there is no lack of investment in Iran and we are solidifying our economic relations with China more," said Nozari.

"The second message is that if other countries are willing to invest in the big oil and gas fields of Iran they should not lose the opportunity," he added, in an apparent warning to any dithering Western firms.

The deal is one of the biggest foreign energy contracts ever signed by Iran, which holds the world's second-largest oil and gas reserves and is seeking development of its oil fields.

The contract was signed in Tehran by Zhou Baixiu, the head of Sinopec's international arm, and Iranian Deputy Oil Minister for international affairs Hossein Noghrehkar Shirazi.

The talks to finalise the contract had been long held up by disagreements on the terms of the Yadavaran deal, most notably involving the rate of return proposed by Sinopec.

Sinopec had originally asked for a 15 percent rate of return from its investment but Nozari said this had been finalised at 14.98 percent.

However he added that the period of reimbursement for Sinopec had been decreased from eight years in the initial agreement to four in the final contract.

"The development will be carried out in two phases," added Nozari.

"The first phase to produce 85,000 barrels per day will be carried out in four years and the second phase to produce another 100,000 bpd will be carried out in another 36 months."

"So in total, the field will produce 185,000 barrels a day."

The National Iranian Oil Company's (NIOC) director for exploration Mahmoud Mohades had earlier put the Yadavaran field's reserves at 18.3 billion barrels, estimating recoverable oil at 3.2 billion barrels.

The 2004 initial agreement also envisaged China's purchase of an annual 10 million tons of Iranian liquefied natural gas (LNG) for 25 years, beginning in 2009.

But Zhou indicated that this was not in the final contract and would be discussed at a later date.

"China is willing to buy LNG from Iran and we hope to talk about the LNG project later."

Sinopec is the sole main partner and investor in the field, although it will be employing sub-contractors, more than half of whom must be Iranian.

Iran and China have significant economic ties and Beijing is the second largest importer of Iranian goods after Japan.

China is a veto-wielding permanent member of the UN Security Council and has until now been reluctant to support fully a US-led drive to impose a third set of UN sanctions against Tehran over its nuclear programme.
 
Quote from WAEL012000:

Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote— they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office.

THE ACTUAL QUOTE:

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

THE PROOF:

The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

Here is the full transcript of the speech in farsi, archived on Ahmadinejad's web site
www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/speeches/1384/aban-84/840804sahyonizm.htm

THE SPEECH AND CONTEXT:

While the false "wiped off the map" extract has been repeated infinitely without verification, Ahmadinejad's actual speech itself has been almost entirely ignored. Given the importance placed on the "map" comment, it would be sensible to present his words in their full context to get a fuller understanding of his position. In fact, by looking at the entire speech, there is a clear, logical trajectory leading up to his call for a "world without Zionism". One may disagree with his reasoning, but critical appraisals are infeasible without first knowing what that reasoning is.

In his speech, Ahmadinejad declares that Zionism is the West's apparatus of political oppression against Muslims. He says the "Zionist regime" was imposed on the Islamic world as a strategic bridgehead to ensure domination of the region and its assets. Palestine, he insists, is the frontline of the Islamic world's struggle with American hegemony, and its fate will have repercussions for the entire Middle East.

Ahmadinejad acknowledges that the removal of America's powerful grip on the region via the Zionists may seem unimaginable to some, but reminds the audience that, as Khomeini predicted, other seemingly invincible empires have disappeared and now only exist in history books. He then proceeds to list three such regimes that have collapsed, crumbled or vanished, all within the last 30 years:

(1) The Shah of Iran- the U.S. installed monarch

(2) The Soviet Union

(3) Iran's former arch-enemy, Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein

In the first and third examples, Ahmadinejad prefaces their mention with Khomeini's own words foretelling that individual regime's demise. He concludes by referring to Khomeini's unfulfilled wish: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time. This statement is very wise". This is the passage that has been isolated, twisted and distorted so famously. By measure of comparison, Ahmadinejad would seem to be calling for regime change, not war.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16218.htm
****************************************************


It is one thing for the fucking zioinst filth like dddooo and his ilk to start a war and it is another for them to distort facts to compel the American people to start another war on their behalf. These sons of bitches will not rest until they cause another blood bath in the region that will take the lives of American young men and civilians of another nation.

Thank you very much WAEL. We have all these "enemies", but we never listen to what they say. Whatever happend to "know thy enemy." We also never listen to Bin Laden who often says he has no interest in killing all Americans, just wants our military out of the middle east. I can't count how many times I hear from our "leaders" that they want to come and kill us all. In fact it is the policy of our news channels not to report what he says in his speeches as he might be signaling his cells in America. Ohhhh, the stupidity.
 
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