Ipod Phone

"Ipods do have the reputation for being flimsy and to break easy. They aren't good for running, the mini-Ipods fare better but have other issues."

Whoa, I've had an old 20 gig ipod from 3 years ago that I still use all the time when I DJ, and a nano from over a year ago that is still kicking I use when I go to the gym. I've never had a problem, not once.

I do remeber the sony "walkman" though, to bad they missed the boat... oh that's right, Sony just stopped inovating.

The sony execs and legal staff has basically crippled their creativity. Examples: proprietary formats like blu-ray, delayed and ruined a widespread ps3 launch and surveys show consumers don't even care about the format. And the psp could have been the ipod that played video games, movies, even with a web browser, but nope.

Basically when you're as big as sony, and you own movie studios, music companies, your subdivisions fight their way into your designs and you lose focus wasting time trying to protect copyrights instead of giving consumers what they want.

Sony's trying to play catch up with two broken legs.
 
Quote from kidrazor:

" Examples: proprietary formats like blu-ray, delayed and ruined a widespread ps3 launch and surveys show consumers don't even care about the format. And the psp could have been the ipod that played video games, movies, even with a web browser, but nope.
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Look I don't want to start an argument with you apple fans because frankly no amount of reasoning seems to affect you but Apple has done it's share of proprietary formats too. AAC, appletalk, quicktime to name a few.
 
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Apple's iphone importance has NOTHING to do the fact it can be an ipod and play music. I think people are misisng the main deal, we are seeing a shift in demand to smart phones. Don't believe me? Look at the Blackberry effect. I'm watching my co-workers and friends all start to grab these things up (stock price up 100 percent in 6 months too.)

My point being is that Apple is PERFECTLY positioned to make a smart phone that syncs with email, calendars, ichat, web browser, and even transition effortlessly into a wi-fi network and use skype/vonage, ichat, etc.

Apple has already refined the programs for real computers. I can't believe that people that think they won't be able to do it for a phone. It's like saying the engineer who built a skyscraper couldn't pitch a tent.

Ohh yeah, GPS built in with GOOGLE maps, they've been real cozy lately.

So basically I don't give a shit about an ipod phone either, I want the apple smart phone, that's the true killer.
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Agree Smartphones are getting very popular, I have been using a smartphone for the last 3 years. People still dont know what a smartphone is or what it does.
 
Quote from dcvtss:

Look I don't want to start an argument with you apple fans because frankly no amount of reasoning seems to affect you but Apple has done it's share of proprietary formats too. AAC, appletalk, quicktime to name a few.
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Agreed that apple does have it's own prop going on, but apple does apple then lock the hardware to restrict other formats? Hell no, becuase they know a product that plays more universal formats will SELL more. You can play windows media and real player on mac, as well as any mp3, AAIC, file on an ipod. There's the itunes dance that limits song sharing to make the music companies happy, but it's SO incredibly simple to get around those restrictions that the hardware keeps selling.

Since itunes actually makes very little money and basically supports the ipod growth, right now Steve Jobs is just smiling, watching the Beatles deal, and probably singing to himself "Everybody's got something to hide ,except for me and my monkey."
 
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Agreed that apple does have it's own prop going on, but apple does apple then lock the hardware to restrict other formats? Hell no, becuase they know a product that plays more universal formats will SELL more. You can play windows media and real player on mac, as well as any mp3, AAIC, file on an ipod. There's the itunes dance that limits song sharing to make the music companies happy, but it's SO incredibly simple to get around those restrictions that the hardware keeps selling.

Since itunes actually makes very little money and basically supports the ipod growth, right now Steve Jobs is just smiling, watching the Beatles deal, and probably singing to himself "Everybody's got something to hide ,except for me and my monkey."
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I agree with you that Apple is far from the worst offender in this category, Sony and Microsoft are probably worse. Microsoft doesn't necessarily lock things up in a proprietary format they just take an existing format, change it a little bit, and then make all of their products default to it which causes all the casual computer users to unknowingly support it. An example would be windows media player ripping CD's to .wma by default instead of .mp3.

As far as Apple locking their hardware that is true recently, they seem to have learned that they will sell more with cross platform support. I would argue that this was not the case in the pre-OS X era. I guess the main point I was trying to make is that Apple is not the altruistic company that some of its more hardcore believers make it out to be.
 
Quote from Hydroblunt:

You're 1 out of 10 that has that experience. I would not form my opinion the way I have as I was actually looking to buy an IPOD 1.5 years ago. I actually went around and asked real life people bout their Ipods. You can also search the internet for the general experience. Obviously nothing is 100%, not 100% of Sony products last forever and ever but I have used Sony for PC, TV, Minidisc, PS2, headphones, MP3 and only the PC had the harddrive burn out after 3 years. The Minidisc just refused to stop working, I would love to see any Ipod take even half the abuse the Sony Minidisc can endure

Ipods do have the reputation for being flimsy and to break easy. They aren't good for running, the mini-Ipods fare better but have other issues. They do not have long lifespans, nor were they meant to, otherwise Apple would have a hard time getting the same people to keep buying the new Ipods year after year.





This is the MP3 player I have but my model is slightly older, from 1.5 years ago. Bought it for $150, the software is great, love the product, the internal battery has a great life and recharge time. 512mb flash mem is fine with me, it's very easy to switch playlists and rotate them. Not to mention how small, sturdy and convienient the player is. I can even spar with it on.

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...dio&CategoryName=audio_mp3players_style_flash

Since you want more mem, thats gonna be more expensive but flash mem has gotten cheaper with time. Just look around, I know Creative Labs has MP3 players with 2-4GB mem at close to half price of what the Ipod costs. The Apple marketing machine has competely overshadowed the competitors, some of which have made great progress and released great products. I bought mine at Circuit City or Best Buy, don't remember as I just compare those 2 and a couple other electronics stores and go to the cheapest one, as one of them is always undercutting the rest on some products on any given day. I'm in NYC so it's about they are all conviently located.
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How did the sales/marketing team for Sony end up on a trading forum? You guys really cover all the bases. Congrats!
 
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How did the sales/marketing team for Sony end up on a trading forum? You guys really cover all the bases. Congrats!
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LOL. Hydro is right in regards to IPODs though. Apple computers are the best out there probably because they have a market share of like 3% - so there is an incentive to make great great products to increase market share. But Apple controls like 70%+ of the mp3 market so there quality is like shit - the incentive to increase market share just isn't there. Same reason why Windows OS is crap - 90% market share.
 
Quote from Hydroblunt:

Great technology but sh*t quality.

Apparently to expect an IPOD to last over a year is unreasonable. I can't condone paying a few hundred dollars for such products no matter how many bells and whistles.

Sony on the other hand, that's true quality. It's great that everybody is on their knees for Ipods, I bought an awesome Sony MP3 player for dirt cheap. Thanks Ipod!

Iphone is gonna run on hype, Apple is forced to continue increasing sales & growth at any expense, or else the stock plummets and the company will suffer big time. They are gonna run the same strategy, focus on bells & whistles at the expense of quality, which only reinforces futures sales as ppl find their Ipod phones breaking. But right in time, Apple will have the new versions with new fun & flashy commercials and campaigns. I think they got the formula down to a T and it's highly doubtful the sheep will catch on.

Keep it up Apple. I love getting quality products dirt cheap. iTV you say? I can't wait, those Sony flatscreens looking real nice.
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I have had my original iPod for four years - it has been dropped multiple times, gotten wet, and been banged around...I have never had one problem.

And, for the other posts - you can play any mp3 files on the iPod unless they have some kind of protection. You do not have to buy through iTunes. I have over 1,800 songs and six of those were bought from iTunes.
 
Plain and simple, Apple sucks. If it were not for all those purchases made by dumb elementary school bureaucrats in the 80s and 90s, this company would be in a garbage bin. Overpriced, eye candy junk that appeals to snubs who think they are original, trendy and cool by buying this sorry excuse for a computer.
I really do not understand why people would pay a premium to have this garbage. I got a 17" IBM compatible laptop 6 months ago for $700 and no tax to boot. Same size machine from Apple is $2800, yes $2800. I guess being cool, different and hi brow is expensive.
As for Ipod, fragile junk that offers nothing above the rest. People buy them because it is a fashion statement and cool, not because it is th best. Btw. I tunes only offers songs in 128 size, which is lame.
Apple is trying to combine its mp3 with a phone because they know that this is the future. In 5 years everybody will have a phone with an mp3 player with a 100 gig card. Why carry mp3 player and a phone if you could combine both in one package. Apple is history!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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