Inverted head and shoulders on the SPX?

Hmm, unless you're referring to delta tick in that zone going neutral and not cumulative net delta?

If that's the case, what's the point of tracking CND? I can play basic price action and wait for price to test pivots aka zones of significant delta tick action?


The chart I posted above just doesn't seem to jibe with the below

Tracking the cumulative delta over a multi-day period we will make an example - On lets say March 3rd the market traded to 685.00 LOD and the most negative reading of the cumulative delta was -150,000 contracts at that time (when that spike low was created). Now lets say two days later on March 5th (after tracking the delta at all times the globex is open) we trade to 685.00 but the cumulative delta was now showing -132,000 contracts........at this point we would be showing there are NET Long Holders potential remaining from this level who bought two days prior (difference at current days reading is +18,000).

At this point I would look at the PER TICK delta from the day we first touched 685.00 on March 3rd and add up all the TICK levels ONLY with a positive delta in the area 3 to 4 points from 685.00 on up (or at least in that 3 to 4 point zone that has the biggest pocket of high positive delta ticks). This area may show all the positive delta TICK levels added up together to about 11,000 contracts in that 3 to 4 point area.....this I call a delta zone (zone which had a very positive bias to the delta in a small 3 to 4 point range where sellers lost control to buyers and price then change directions as the 685.00 LOD was created).

If I saw price at any point now trade down to the delta zone at 685.00 again and the overall cumulative delta went to -150,000 contracts, I would know we are in a neutral state (and as a confirmation I would want to have seen at least 50% of the 11,000 contracts noted before, which created the delta zone initially, showing now as negative delta within the TICK levels making up the previously defined delta zone of 685.00 and up about 3 to 4 points). This activity would confirm that delta NET Long Holders flipped out of the previously entered Long positions within this zone in a concentrated manner.

ehh now i'm more confused. :confused:
 
I believe that what you've quoted AMT saying in the previous post is not really portrayed by the chart you've posted earlier, but that's besides the point...

Like you, I'd like to know whether having the price slice up and through ES=1187 zone where CD diff ~ -90K serves as a counter example to the basic claim of this method (or alternatively, a misunderstanding of the method).

D.

Quote from chuckt101:

Hmm, unless you're referring to delta tick in that zone going neutral and not cumulative net delta?

If that's the case, what's the point of tracking CND? I can play basic price action and wait for price to test pivots aka zones of significant delta tick action?


The chart I posted above just doesn't seem to jibe with the below



ehh now i'm more confused. :confused:
 
Quote from manlycure:

I believe that what you've quoted AMT saying in the previous post is not really portrayed by the chart you've posted earlier, but that's besides the point...

Like you, I'd like to know whether having the price slice up and through ES=1187 zone where CD diff ~ -90K serves as a counter example to the basic claim of this method (or alternatively, a misunderstanding of the method).

D.

Hmm.. it's portrayed 100%?

The logic is:
Price will not move past a zone w/o first neutralizing positions (it did)
CND showed significantly great numbers of net short positions on test of R, indicating shorts > longs. (price rallied 100 pts)

Only thing i can think of is the late day rally & AH rally trapped many shorts to the point where they couldn't liquidate w/o a huge loss so they held onto it? Or maybe they were already hedging another product. I don't know; I know very little about hedging so maybe the answer is there
 
To be clear, I was referring to AMT's description of how his method takes into account the tick deltas inside the 3-4 ticks zone extending from the CD level ($685). Your chart doesn't pertain to that aspect of the quote.

D.

Quote from chuckt101:

Hmm.. it's portrayed 100%?

The logic is:
Price will not move past a zone w/o first neutralizing positions (it did)
CND showed significantly great numbers of net short positions on test of R, indicating shorts > longs. (price rallied 100 pts)

Only thing i can think of is the late day rally & AH rally trapped many shorts to the point where they couldn't liquidate w/o a huge loss so they held onto it? Or maybe they were already hedging another product. I don't know; I know very little about hedging so maybe the answer is there
 
Quote from manlycure:

To be clear, I was referring to AMT's description of how his method takes into account the tick deltas inside the 3-4 ticks zone extending from the CD level ($685). Your chart doesn't pertain to that aspect of the quote.

D.

If I saw price at any point now trade down to the delta zone at 685.00 again and the overall cumulative delta went to -150,000 contracts, I would know we are in a neutral state (and as a confirmation I would want to have seen at least 50% of the 11,000 contracts noted before, which created the delta zone initially, showing now as negative delta within the TICK levels making up the previously defined delta zone of 685.00 and up about 3 to 4 points). This activity would confirm that delta NET Long Holders flipped out of the previously entered Long positions within this zone in a concentrated manner.

(1) CD neutralization
(2) tick "neutralization"/reversal

(1) never happened so we don't care about (2)
 
Quote from AMT4SWA:

targets have been hit at 747.00 this evening and the next targets are resting at 743.00 and then 738.50 to this point :)

We are kind of going in the other direction..
 
Nice run this morning in AH session......just started to sell the 764.00/765.00 level this morning. My remaining previous 754.50/754.75 positions stopped out at 754.00 after the EU market had opened last night. :) This is the last zone/area to be sold from previously held resting inventory......price above the 767.00 area would most likely trade up to the low 800's, so no selling should be done if we break above 767's with significant initiated buying. :)

My first targets this morning will be at 761.00 and then next at 759.00 :)
 
Quote from chuckt101:

Hmm, OK I expected that response, so here's my follow up to my last question. :)

In my research, I've found the above to be true often but I've definitely found contradicting "signals"; Forgive my ignorance but how can such an egregious divergence as the one I'm showing have occurred?

Thanks again!!!
What is the data feed you are using and the charting you have how is your CD formula written.....is this your own programming?


BTW....if a person uses Investor RT their SDK can be very helpful. :)
 
Quote from manlycure:

Like you, I'd like to know whether having the price slice up and through ES=1187 zone where CD diff ~ -90K serves as a counter example to the basic claim of this method (or alternatively, a misunderstanding of the method).

D.
This looks like a data/computation of CD error to me.
 
Quote from AMT4SWA:

Nice run this morning in AH session......just started to sell the 764.00/765.00 level this morning. My remaining previous 754.50/754.75 positions stopped out at 754.00 after the EU market had opened last night. :) This is the last zone/area to be sold from previously held resting inventory......price above the 767.00 area would most likely trade up to the low 800's, so no selling should be done if we break above 767's with significant initiated buying. :)

My first targets this morning will be at 761.00 and then next at 759.00 :)
Targets at 761.00 filled....next at 759.00 and also new targets set for 755.00 and 750.00 :)

Edit: targets at 759.00 just filled now too. :)
 
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