Quote from TheMagican:
Gee man...You even lack of the simple knowledges about everything.There is the strict defenition of what is what.What is material energy,what is spiritual energy is strictly defined.You are swimming down the clouds.Your mistake is that you trust to your mind wholeheartedly!Don`t trust your mind,it`ll dump you,100%.("The mind naturally questions bullshit".It was the Hershey expression and i liked it,actually.Actually,even this ardent atheist Hershey felt that smth was wrong with the mind.How well he`s right!)Now this bullshit is all over your mind.Go free it!
Go find yourself a guru,but be sure this is the right Guru.He will explain you everything.
We can`t zoom in and zoom out as our spiritual self`s (Atma)size is strictly defined as well!It has the certain size with the certain parametres!We can only change our appearance,from life to life,as we change our clothes.We did change,well,some of us,our size in the past,yes,we had shuch ability,it calls siddhi - Maxima(becoming big) and Laghima(becoming weightless).But not anymore,not in this age.



Quote from cornix:
What is a scientific definition of "spiritual energy" by the way?

Quote from TheMagican:
I see that you dont make any sense...
But,for the sake of our discussion...The Spiritual Energy is the one that lays outside Mahat Tattva.Mahat Tattva is where we are now,and what you see as the stars,planet,etc...And its capacity is about 3/4 of all Creation.Material Energy is very small in comparison.It is about 8 or 9(sorry,forgotten exactly) layers that separate us from Spititual World.It is said that each level is billions mile in length.So far no science breakthrough could even come close to it.To break through those levels,is only possible via Yoga practice.It is said that only via Bhakti Yoga,in this Age of Kali.So you need to start developing your inner spiritual self-Atma.And maybe you`ll get(as well as myself) the chance to pass those layers and get back Home.There is no guarantee,though.It is also said in the scriptures.![]()

Quote from Rationalize:
I think that might be John Galt .. you goose![]()
Maybe double check that one.
Quote from cornix:
Thank you, but I'll stick with the mind for now.
What is a scientific definition of "spiritual energy" by the way?)
Quote from marketsurfer:
I agree with the magick person to a point. I think gurus and enlightened ones are BS power tripper control freaks, however.
You can't use scientific instruments or methods to measure the spiritual. Completely different areas---
Quote from marketsurfer:
I agree with the magick person to a point. I think gurus and enlightened ones are BS power tripper control freaks, however.
You can't use scientific instruments or methods to measure the spiritual. Completely different areas---