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Hey Guys,

These are the results for the day.
System did good.

I do not expect this week to be a very good week, as we have the FOMC on Wed and from past experience that kind of announcements affects the system.

I'll not trade on wednesday but follow the system for the record.

Take care.

Dan
 

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Hey Dano5,

I've been following the system now for a couple of weeks. It seems pretty accurate. But I'm still not totally sure I want to pay for it at the end of the month. That's because the market has been so consistent--down a bit in the morning, then the buy the dippers come in and we end up on the day. I'm wondering whether the system will really predict when this changes... Any thoughts. Thanks for all your posts. I find them quite helpful. I wouldn't have signed up for it without seeing you posts.

:)
 
Hello Dan, after monitoring the system for the last few days I will start trading it during the course of this week. However I have a couple of queries you may be able to help me with (or anyone else on here who is actively using the premium service).

It is recommended to use the target gain as the stop loss distance. Do you find this works OK? Sometimes it can result in a pretty serious loss but on other occasions (with a smaller target gain) the trade gets stopped out early.

The system gives an EXIT TIME. Should this be strictly adhered to? Sometimes the trade can accumulate further gains (after the Exit time) so is it not better to run profitable trades with a trailing stop where this is practical?

On those occasions where a trade is reversed I have noticed in some instances (where the market is moving against the new trade) that if the new trade is opened AND the previous one is also left open it negates the initial loss on the new one. Is one likely to get one's fingers burnt with such a strategy?

Being in the UK I'll be trading the european indices and keeping a close eye on the US markets too. I will be using Spread Bets with a guaranteed stop loss which involves a slightly higher than normal spread.

Any other helpful info will be greatly appreciated.

regards, dunedin.
 
Hi Dunedin,

Great to know you are starting to trade the system. It has been paying great to me in the US. Not sure about EU markets.

With respect to your stop loss question, I believe it is the problem of stop losses. As you know their system propose a stop loss that is of the same level of the target gain.

The advantages are that it gives room to the market to move, but if you are on a high volatile day, and your target gain was big, and some news impact the market that can make the prediction use less you can have a drawdown.

I've read in other places that 1/3 of the target gain is a reasonable stop loss, but I have not back tested it with this system so I can not tell.

So far, hard numbers trading this system as is, with the target gain stop loss, have made money as expected.

If you change the stop loss management strategy you might achieve better or worst results, and you will be trading out of the statistics published by the system vendor.

I would suggest you download to an excel spread sheet the trade details, and analyze other stop loss management strategies.

You might also consider how much risk you might want to take in each trade. Generraly this could be 2% of your funds. So this will limit your stop loss, or how many contracts are you trading.

Other strategies I've seen would be to enter with multiple contracts, take some profits and leaving runners. (again not back tested it).

My trading style is to mimic the system. In this way I know what to expect.

Exit time. I respect it as is. You are right, you might get better exits in some cases and worst in other but what matters is the long term results. right?

When I first started I tried to add my own oppinion to the system, and burned it some times. My final conclusion was that to be able to be sure what I was doing, I only follow the system that I know was back tested.

The only discretionay decision I make is do not trade when there are BIG news comming. EG. Tomorrow FOMC.

Hope this helps. I would suggest you wait to start real trading late this week or the following as FOMC effect on the system might impact on the prediction.

Take care!

Dan




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Hello Dan, after monitoring the system for the last few days I will start trading it during the course of this week. However I have a couple of queries you may be able to help me with (or anyone else on here who is actively using the premium service).

It is recommended to use the target gain as the stop loss distance. Do you find this works OK? Sometimes it can result in a pretty serious loss but on other occasions (with a smaller target gain) the trade gets stopped out early.

The system gives an EXIT TIME. Should this be strictly adhered to? Sometimes the trade can accumulate further gains (after the Exit time) so is it not better to run profitable trades with a trailing stop where this is practical?

On those occasions where a trade is reversed I have noticed in some instances (where the market is moving against the new trade) that if the new trade is opened AND the previous one is also left open it negates the initial loss on the new one. Is one likely to get one's fingers burnt with such a strategy?

Being in the UK I'll be trading the european indices and keeping a close eye on the US markets too. I will be using Spread Bets with a guaranteed stop loss which involves a slightly higher than normal spread.

Any other helpful info will be greatly appreciated.

regards, dunedin.
 
Hi Dan

Many thanks for your response and I think I'll stick with the system as you suggest. It ain't broke so why try to fix it?!?

I'll wait until after the FOMC before trading and see how the markets react.

As I am trading with Spread Bets here in the UK it isn't 'contract' based. We just trade however much per point. There is a predermined spread for each trade (eg. S&P 500 is 1 point), no commission and profits are not liable to any taxes. Obviously this still has to be incorporated into the money mangenment & trading strategy.

Thanks again and will let you know how I go. Oddly enough I feel more comfortable with the US indices at the moment probably because all the information I had prior to registering was US based.

Regards, dunedin.
 
Hi dunedin hi traders.

Attached the results for the day so far, not bad at all.

System made 847 u$s per traded contract. Still SHORT in the nasdaq.

Not bad for a choppy day




Quote from dunedin:

Hi Dan

Many thanks for your response and I think I'll stick with the system as you suggest. It ain't broke so why try to fix it?!?

I'll wait until after the FOMC before trading and see how the markets react.

As I am trading with Spread Bets here in the UK it isn't 'contract' based. We just trade however much per point. There is a predermined spread for each trade (eg. S&P 500 is 1 point), no commission and profits are not liable to any taxes. Obviously this still has to be incorporated into the money mangenment & trading strategy.

Thanks again and will let you know how I go. Oddly enough I feel more comfortable with the US indices at the moment probably because all the information I had prior to registering was US based.

Regards, dunedin.
 

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Hi Madmo,

From my experience the system has been very accurate during clustered periods of times. Then, you might get 3 o 4 days not so good, and again accurate days.

As far as I've read about this company and the fundamentals of their technology it make sense how it behaves. Basically the system predicts the market dynamics. Then some big news impact. This might change more or less the dynamics. So the system needs to retrieve new data from this"new" market.

And pretty fast it recovers and start predicting again.

I know users that trade the system as is, and some use it as a complement to their own strats.

I follow the system as is, and tested some mix with Market Profile. But from my experience results achieved following it are good enough to make a living.

Take care.

Dan

Quote from madmo:

Hey Dano5,

I've been following the system now for a couple of weeks. It seems pretty accurate. But I'm still not totally sure I want to pay for it at the end of the month. That's because the market has been so consistent--down a bit in the morning, then the buy the dippers come in and we end up on the day. I'm wondering whether the system will really predict when this changes... Any thoughts. Thanks for all your posts. I find them quite helpful. I wouldn't have signed up for it without seeing you posts.

:)
 
Hi Guys,

Wednesday was a non trading day for the system I follow, as the FOMC makes invalid the prediction.

Anyway, the results during the first half of the day where really good.

Yesterday results where even. Will post trades later for follower to keep record.

Today was amazing day. The system was able to predict the short after 1:00 PM. and will end the day with $1664 per trading contract. Not bad at all.

I know I posting after the fact, but other followers of the system can confirm my trades.

Take care.



Quote from dan05:

Hi Madmo,

From my experience the system has been very accurate during clustered periods of times. Then, you might get 3 o 4 days not so good, and again accurate days.

As far as I've read about this company and the fundamentals of their technology it make sense how it behaves. Basically the system predicts the market dynamics. Then some big news impact. This might change more or less the dynamics. So the system needs to retrieve new data from this"new" market.

And pretty fast it recovers and start predicting again.

I know users that trade the system as is, and some use it as a complement to their own strats.

I follow the system as is, and tested some mix with Market Profile. But from my experience results achieved following it are good enough to make a living.

Take care.

Dan
 

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Hey Dunedin,

How did you do today? Did you trade UK and US?

The system did great in both markets.

Can you explain mora about Spread Bets

Take care.




Quote from dunedin:

Hi Dan

Many thanks for your response and I think I'll stick with the system as you suggest. It ain't broke so why try to fix it?!?

I'll wait until after the FOMC before trading and see how the markets react.

As I am trading with Spread Bets here in the UK it isn't 'contract' based. We just trade however much per point. There is a predermined spread for each trade (eg. S&P 500 is 1 point), no commission and profits are not liable to any taxes. Obviously this still has to be incorporated into the money mangenment & trading strategy.

Thanks again and will let you know how I go. Oddly enough I feel more comfortable with the US indices at the moment probably because all the information I had prior to registering was US based.

Regards, dunedin.
 
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