Intraday does not make sense.

I can state that the insane profits are in scalps...There are just a few at the top..

Do you know what I mean about insane profits?...thousands of contracts present a problem to enter and iceberg orders are required...AND THESE ARE SCALPS! I CAN SEE THEM IN THE TIME AND SALES, ES IS THE PREFERRED SYMBOL...OK THERE ARE SOME BOND PLAYERS BUT THAT IS OUT OF MY LEAGUE...HSI LOL

Do you think these scalpers post on ET? Why?

too funny...they could post about their bracket stops...ohhh lol...too funny. It's an entire other world outside of ET. If I had a choice to make a few ticks with a tight stop in under a few seconds or even a few minutes verses 500 ticks in 10 days...or 50 ticks overnight...I would take the hyper trades in a heartbeat/nanosecond!

Getting a VPS in Chicago as close to the exchange with a seat on the CME is my next step...but I will be out of ET by then.

I love this site and have been here for a decade and 1/2 but there is life outside of ET I am discovering. i do not honestly know if I can break away...but I am not too old to open my mind.

I would love to be one of those successful scalpers in the Hamptons. Really i mean it...you know you guys would like that too right? I have made some long term posting friends here in ET but I feel it might be nearing to an end for me and I might be saying goodbye...Funny If I keep losing I will stay here...what does that mean to you?

ElectricBeingRealSavant

P.S. I must laugh outloud when a wonderboy posts about how it is a waste to trade for ticks...They really believe that they know. ANYWAY'S IF YOU CAN PULL MONEY OUT OF THE MARKET WHETHER IT BE 1000x2 OR 50 x40...WHO CARES?

P. S .I am gong to funnel my money into Robinhood...lol CYA..

trader99 said:
While I agreed that long-term trading/investing can provide superior returns and risk adjusted returns, it does NOT preclude the possibility of intraday trading profits. Market makers, by definition, trade intraday. Scalpers especially automated bots trade intraday profitably. And even manual intraday swing traders can trade profitable.

I've seen enough intraday range from various futures contracts to say that there's definitely enough room to make thousands per day. I'm not saying it's "easy", but it's doable. Perhaps not every day. I wouldn't totally discount that. Perhaps the average daytrader can't do that because they are scalping for ticks when they should be holding for longer intraday swing trades with higher profit potential.

Just trying to balance out the discussion here.
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ElectricSavant said:
I can state that the insane profits are in scalps...There are just a few at the top..

Do you know what I mean about insane profits...thousands of contracts present a problem to enter and iceberg orders are required...AND THESE ARE SCALPS! ES IS THE PREFERRED SYMBOL...OK THERE ARE SOME BOND PLAYERS BUT THAT IS OUT OF MY LEAGUE...HSI LOL

Do you think these scalpers post on ET? Why?

too funny...they could post about their bracket stops...ohhh lol...too funny. It's an entire other world outside of ET. If I had a choice to make a few ticks with a tight stop in under a few seconds or even a few minutes verses 500 ticks in 10 days...or 50 ticks overnight...I would take the hyper trades in a heartbeat/nanosecond! Getting a VPS in Chicago as close to the exchange with a seat on the CME is my next step...but I will be out of ET by then.

ElectricBeingRealSavant

P.S. I must laugh outloud when a wonderboy posts about how it is a waste to trade for ticks...They really believe that they know.
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I didn't say it was NOT possible. I said it's usually done by automated bots that can trade for ticks really well.
 
Overnight said:
ES is up 22 points? So ES is not at a loss today? Yes, it was a bold call. But it was wrong.
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Completely wrong. I hit about 40% of my predictions, which is poor. I do not trade on my information. I trade on my algorithm since I'm not that bright or experience. my student did poorly on his own Monday, goes to MIT, and looks as foolish as I did when he thought he new. His words, "I got it."
Good observation.
 

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maximumpossiblesuffering said:
Perhaps instead of looking at the trees, look in between the trees.

The four “patterns” you mentioned can be profitable in the right context or the right conditions. It seems to me, one of the keys for you in short term trading is to find the context and conditions that work for your patterns. This takes screen time.

There are also several patterns that you did not mention. Remember, when a pattern is not working, especially on a fairly frequent basis, consider there is a pattern that fits the other, winning side. Again, screen time is your friend here.

No shame in trafing on a simulator or very small size until you obtain consistency.

By the way, because of external events, including large orders suddenly appearing and the fact patterns are usually subjective, at least to an extent, no pattern or one’s interpretation of a pattern is a guarentee of a profitable trade. Conditions change, and stops serve to protect us from these changing conditions or our misinterpretations of the trading conditions in the instrument we are trading.
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Yes, look for trades that win in my 4 indicators. I wait for the set up as close as possible. I do not wander from that in live trading. I do still use demo as i am looking for a 2 tic..3 tic..solution. I'm having trouble getting results posted today as I am now on my computer. I was able to post previously by screenshot and that phone is damaged. Yesterday was 5/5 plus $62.50 with an average trade time of like 40 seconds. This is how I demo'd for over a year, every 5 min.bar i could, until my win rate was 80%. I need 83% to break even.
So every couple of months for 2 years I went live with $1500.00-2000.00. Losing 11k over that period to me was, what was needed to convert from demo to live. The psychological factors needed to be dealt with In my case it was ego, fear, excitement aka gambling fever.
To me, yesterday was a very successful day netting about $50.
I personally trade 3 contracts live and yesterday was 6/6 or plus 18 tics or $225, netting roughly($10 for travodate, $45 exch fees), $170.00. My capital was at risk for -$187.50(5 tics), and for roughly 240 seconds. The short time is about your comment of big orders and movers. I use them to get me in and out. They use to empty my account the second i released the stop. That was the gambler in me. I was a fool and have grown past my character defects.
Thanks for the comment, intelligent, on point and non attacking. Appreciate it.
 

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destriero said:
Busted. Ask me how I know?
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Busted? I'm busted?

Busted like... I'm some other user who made a new account?
I wish I was- it would add more awesome drama to that thread. I'm actually new here. Been lurking a bit. Trying to get a better grasp of trading vola so I figured I'd start poking questions on this forum. To maybe speed up the learning. Funny, from my digging today, so far it might be that you're one of the people to learn that kind of stuff from. So unless you're looking to start a project teaching a relative noob, I'm forced to lurk and find what gems I can.

or Busted like... I quoted Roosevelt?
But Roosevelt is awesome.

Or Busted like... I don't trade intraday? Since my quote alteration was defending it? That's kind of true. I did it for a bit but didn't like being glued and worrying if I should take a dump or not.

Or Busted like... you mean something completely different and I'm talking to myself. Now that's me going bust alright.
 
I have the same feelings about the intraday trading as you are totally dependent on the luck while trading on short-term basis. If you really want to achieve something big through trading then you have to work with lengthy mindset. Work on a plan all the time!
 
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