Interesting Piece on 60 minutes on the morgtgage paper work mess

Quote from denner:

Exactly. They save and then the savings are taxed 100% with ZIRP running indefinitely while the value of said dollars are inflated away.

thought of this today, why they even bother taxing anymore, all they need just indirect tax, don't even need paperwork
 
Quote from ElCubano:

all these stories, makes people who saved and lived according to their means..the real suckers...

+1

Yes, banks screwed up royally and turned over their processing to some third-rate dump in Georgia, which forged signatures.

HOWEVER...the vast majority of those borrowers who are beefing about it are defaulting on their mortgages, and using this as an excuse to walk away with no obligations.

Now the government is apparently floating a plan that from my understanding would have banks pay the borrowers to go away.

What an abomination.
 
Quote from lindq:

+1

Yes, banks screwed up royally and turned over their processing to some third-rate dump in Georgia, which forged signatures.

HOWEVER...the vast majority of those borrowers who are beefing about it are defaulting on their mortgages, and using this as an excuse to walk away with no obligations.

Now the government is apparently floating a plan that from my understanding would have banks pay the borrowers to go away.

What an abomination.

You are really gullible. The banks wanted a 3rd party so they could say it was their fault. Nothing more than a legal maneuver. They don't "screw up royally," they kick ass and make money through fraud, bribes and campaign donations.
 
What's even more sickening is people who lied about the money they made (not suggesting it was right) are now being prosecuted and sent to prison. Who from Wall Street has gone to prison?

Quote from Eddiefl:

This is fucking sickening, really. I dont feel bad for the flipper or the 26 year old working at Blockbuster who "stated" he made 200k and got a huge house, but there are some decent folks who are getting caught up in this.

Let me tell you something, if i forged 400 federally regulated contract papers in one day, in any other business. I would be in prison so damn long, they would name a wing after me. !!!!

The govt, is scared to go after Citi, BAC, HSBC,,, but they wil go after the borrower who lied on a mortgage application, but not the people who created them.

ITs really fucked up.

EF
 
Quote from Chausey:

You are really gullible. The banks wanted a 3rd party so they could say it was their fault. Nothing more than a legal maneuver. They don't "screw up royally," they kick ass and make money through fraud, bribes and campaign donations.
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The banks want to foreclose fast, take the asset (house) put on the market again, make money. This banks hire (servicers) to do this foreclosure work. Together(Banks and servicers) are so happy thinking they can make the fast money again. So what is happened? This servicers have caught doing robo signing. Now some banks are afraid and take away their business to the servicers. Now the servicers are fighting with the banks. Two pigs fighting each other now.
David Stern, Shapiro y Fishman, Kanane and Associates, Daniel Consuegra, Ben-Ezra and Katz....

http://realestate.aol.com/blog/2011/03/30/foreclosure-mill-kings-fight-back-sue-banks/
 
Quote from lindq:

+1

Yes, banks screwed up royally and turned over their processing to some third-rate dump in Georgia, which forged signatures.

HOWEVER...the vast majority of those borrowers who are beefing about it are defaulting on their mortgages, and using this as an excuse to walk away with no obligations.

Now the government is apparently floating a plan that from my understanding would have banks pay the borrowers to go away.

What an abomination.

And the banks will pass on these costs to their dwindling number of depositors. Behind the scenes bailouts will continue unabated if/when this political stunt is pulled to set up the "20 billion dollar" recuperation fund or whatever they will call it to fool the sheeple.

Both parties are really at fault, I suppose. However, the real fault (as many noted as it was unfolding) was the decision to create another asset bubble following the tech crash. Underwriting standards were tossed into the garbage can and the entire chain of title was lost. Nonetheless, the media will always ignore the cause and gleefully play the banks vs consumers angle indefinitely.
 
Got to say im pretty much in the middle on this one, I agree with both Lindq and ElPrado, in that i think that these people who were irresponsible totally stuck it to everyone else who is responsible. (Something which is happening more and more these days) I cant stand these irresponsible whiners, that get turned into bleeding heart stories by the left wing media, when they went out and lied on a mortgage app to get a house they couldnt afford.

At the same time this piece made me even angrier at the banks and at these assholes who are running blatant fraud, by forging documents. We have all the evidence right in front of us on national T.V. If someone major doesnt end up going to jail for this scam, then its just open season for the banks, to rob, cheat, and do whatever the fuck they want, it would mean that throughout this entire cesspool of fraud and abuse, not one of these cocksuckers went down, and this whole fiasco will only serve to embolden the thieves. (and its not as though they arent already brazen enough as it is)
 
Quote from Hello:

Got to say im pretty much in the middle on this one, I agree with both Lindq and ElPrado, in that i think that these people who were irresponsible totally stuck it to everyone else who is responsible. (Something which is happening more and more these days) I cant stand these irresponsible whiners, that get turned into bleeding heart stories by the left wing media, when they went out and lied on a mortgage app to get a house they couldnt afford.

At the same time this piece made me even angrier at the banks and at these assholes who are running blatant fraud, by forging documents. We have all the evidence right in front of us on national T.V. If someone major doesnt end up going to jail for this scam, then its just open season for the banks, to rob, cheat, and do whatever the fuck they want, it would mean that throughout this entire cesspool of fraud and abuse, not one of these cocksuckers went down, and this whole fiasco will only serve to embolden the thieves. (and its not as though they arent already brazen enough as it is)

I agree, everyone wants to blame one side or the other, in the end both screwed it up. The responsible, pay your bills, non excuse crybaby whiners are a dwindling breed.
 
Quote from ElCubano:



all these stories, makes people who saved and lived according to their means..the real suckers...

Saving and living according to one's means it BORING!! Besides, WIN stands for Work is Nonprofit.. why people don't get that I'll never know...
 
Quote from Eddiefl:

This is fucking sickening, really. I dont feel bad for the flipper or the 26 year old working at Blockbuster who "stated" he made 200k and got a huge house, but there are some decent folks who are getting caught up in this.

Let me tell you something, if i forged 400 federally regulated contract papers in one day, in any other business. I would be in prison so damn long, they would name a wing after me. !!!!

The govt, is scared to go after Citi, BAC, HSBC,,, but they wil go after the borrower who lied on a mortgage application, but not the people who created them.

ITs really fucked up.

EF
they are not scared they are in it with the banks up to their eyeballs, payoffs from lobbyists are great for blackmail
 
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