Intelligent Design struck down in Federal Court

Interspecies change, or adaptation is an observable fact.

So?

This actually denotes what? That species are adapatable.

Okay.

Why is that?

Well, must be their "nature" then...

Okay.

So organic biological species have a nature to adapt, to survive.

Why is that?

By a random ignorant chance they have this nature, or by design?

Where does this "natural" internal drive for an organism to survive come from?


They have to create some "theory" of what is obvious...and the obvious is that we don't know why nature is the way it is.....

So why the need to teach kids in public schools that nature is either by design or by chance?

Teach fact, leave the theory out of it.

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i, too, hate to agree with Z...what a jerk...... but he is right on this point.

intraspecies evolution is fact. interspecies evolution is conjecture without compelling evidence.

what i don't understand is why the anti creator bias? what's the big deal here?

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i, too, hate to agree with Z...what a jerk...... but he is right on this point.

intraspecies evolution is fact. interspecies evolution is conjecture without compelling evidence.

what i don't understand is why the anti creator bias? what's the big deal here?

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What's the difference between intra- and inter-species evolution?

Unless you can distinguish between the two with some scientifically verifiable test, then there is no difference, and proof of one kind of evolution therefore proves the other.
 
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What's the difference between intra- and inter-species evolution?

You don't know?
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In my view, there is no difference between the two concepts, therefore proof of one, necessarily proves the other.

So, I ask again, what is the difference between intra- and inter-species evolution?
 
So if in your view there is no difference, why ask the question of someone else?

You are free to state your opinion without the complication.



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In my view, there is no difference between the two concepts, therefore proof of one, necessarily proves the other.

So, I ask again, what is the difference between intra- and inter-species evolution?
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In order of your questions:

1) Quantum Mechanics and physical chemistry

2) Your opinion

3) The guesses, if one must call it that, are educated. I would take it anyday over revelation.

4) ....What are you saying here?

5) Nature of the universe. You got me.

6) To deprive children of one of the great modern scientific ideas is a shame.

7) "Assuming it hasn't changed"........It is difficult to envision the day when Deoxyribonucleic Acid is understood
as something other than a self replicating instruction set. Kuhn is over. The end of science is upon us.


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The concept of "self organizing" according to what force of nature?

It so often happens with these theories of "self organizing" or "big bang" that the scientists are actually admitting their ignorance.

They don't really know cause and effect, they just start guessing and call it "self organizing" or "big bang" or "evolution."

Cause and effect, cause and effect.....

The conclusion of random ignorance is
to attribute some "force of random ignorance" that is behind the effect, which is no more provable as a "force of order and intelligence" that is behind the effect.

My point is to teach neither, or to be fair, teach both, and fully admit when we simply don't know....

Let kids be free to adopt the belief of their choosing, not the imposed belief systems of the scientific or the religious community.

I hate the fundamentalist dogma on both sides of this....

You used the term "nature of the universe" tell us exactly what is the "nature" of the universe?

Assuming that the nature of the universe hasn't changed in the past few thousand years, and man's view of that nature changes all the time with new discovery, why teach a dogmatic view that is most likely going to change again?
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Taking an educated "guess" for a fact of life is still a guess on a guess....


Not saying it is a right or wrong guess, a right or wrong belief, but indoctrination of a guess is still just propagation of a belief system, and constitutes a dogmatic imposition on a young mind that is still open to finding its own way.


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In order of your questions:

1) Quantum Mechanics and physical chemistry

2) Your opinion

3) The guesses, if one must call it that, are educated. I would take it anyday over revelation.

4) ....What are you saying here?

5) Nature of the universe. You got me.

6) To deprive children of one of the great modern scientific ideas is a shame.

7) "Assuming it hasn't changed"........It is difficult to envision the day when Deoxyribonucleic Acid is understood
as something other than a self replicating instruction set. Kuhn is over. The end of science is upon us.
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What's the difference between intra- and inter-species evolution?

Unless you can distinguish between the two with some scientifically verifiable test, then there is no difference, and proof of one kind of evolution therefore proves the other.
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intra-species----- within same species change, mutations, survival of the fitest, etc

inter-species--- one species turning into another species.


there is a clear difference.


surfer

ps. i am surprised to hear such a question from you, aren't you a barrister??
 
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intra-species----- within same species change, mutations, survival of the fitest, etc

inter-species--- one species turning into another species.


there is a clear difference.


surfer

ps. i am surprised to hear such a question from you, aren't you a barrister??
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You state that there is a clear difference between the two forms of evolution, however you have yet to define the term "species."

What is a "species?"
 
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