Intelligent Design is not creationism

[jem]

Quote from Free Thinker:

but i thought intelligent design was not creationism?

didnt you go 600 pages on this thread arguing that intelligent design is not creationism(god)?

I was not arguing either... I was arguing that many scientists state the universe appears fine tuned and you all were lying your asses off.

 

[stu]

Whereas if you had been arguing many scientists state the universe appears fine tuned but isn't because.... you would not have been lying your ass off.

 

[jem]

Quote from stu:

Whereas if you had been arguing many scientists state the universe appears fine tuned but isn't because.... you would not have been lying your ass off.

don't you get tired of losing and trying to save face by obfuscation.

Many scientists argue our universe appears or is fine tuned... period.
Science currently holds no proven, observed or verified sxplanation for the appearance of the fine tuning of the constants.

Many scientists offer speculative explanations for the appearance of fine tunings.

 

[2cents]

Missing 0. Santa

Just for sake of completenuss

Quote from jem:

Response to the misrepresentations free thinker and stu were spewing

Susskind says in this video

He state there are 4 possibilities to explain the knife's edge fine tuning...

guess what one explanation is...

1. God (that is correct... susskind says it)
2. luck
3. megaverse/ multiverse
4. someday find a theory of everything.

http://www.closertotruth.com/video-...Tuned-for-Life-and-Mind-Leonard-Susskind-/431


Stu you have been proven wrong on a cosmic level to an epic degree.
and you have been lying your ass off for 7 years.
did you enjoy it.

 

[jcl]

Quote from jem:

Many scientists argue our universe appears or is fine tuned... period.
Science currently holds no proven, observed or verified sxplanation for the appearance of the fine tuning of the constants.

Many scientists offer speculative explanations for the appearance of fine tunings.

The universe is indeed fine tuned to a high degree, but this does not require any miracles or supernatural explanations.

Most string theory variants are compatible with or even require the existence of multiple universes with different physical constants. Therefore, although a multiverse can not be directly observed, it is highly plausible. No god necessary for doing the fine-tuning. Not even Santa Claus.

 

[good ole boy]

Quote from lkh:

Your whole premise is falsified by this false statement. Evolution has purpose and direction. Survival.

Purpose is a loaded word here. End is better suited to
Natural Selection, which determines the survival or demise of genes.

ID may not be Creationism per se, but they both share the same fundamental premise of a Supernatural operation. They differ in that ID cloaks itself in the guise of (pseudo) science, whereas creationsm is content to bask in fantastic mythology.

ID is but a flimsy and transparent trojan horse for fundamentalist
religious beliefs.

 

[futurecurrents]

God, fine tuning the early universe.

 

[jem]

Quote from jcl:

The universe is indeed fine tuned to a high degree, but this does not require any miracles or supernatural explanations.

Most string theory variants are compatible with or even require the existence of multiple universes with different physical constants. Therefore, although a multiverse can not be directly observed, it is highly plausible. No god necessary for doing the fine-tuning. Not even Santa Claus.

bravo... after 7 years you accept the universe is finely tuned.

now lets work on the explanations....

How would you calculate "highly plausible".... when the multiverse is pure speculation and string theory is just a collection of ideas.

Have we observed an alternate universe... have we been testing for one... have we found it.

Has string theory become a proven scientific theory?

 

[jem]

Quote from jem:

bravo... after 7 years you accept the universe is finely tuned.

now lets work on the explanations....

How would you calculate "highly plausible".... when the multiverse is pure speculation and string theory is just a collection of ideas.

Have we observed an alternate universe... have we been testing for one... have we found it.

Has string theory become a proven scientific theory?

skip the part about 7 years, I thought you were stu.

 

[futurecurrents]

Quote from jem:

bravo... after 7 years you accept the universe is finely tuned.

now lets work on the explanations....

How would you calculate "highly plausible".... when the multiverse is pure speculation and string theory is just a collection of ideas.

Have we observed an alternate universe... have we been testing for one... have we found it.

Has string theory become a proven scientific theory?

So jem, I assume you think God fine-tuned the universe. Is that correct?