Intelligent Design is not creationism

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Quote from stu:

Then by definition there is something God cannot be. God cannot be limited.

God is not limited, by definition. God cannot be limited by something outside of God.

Some will then argue that God must not be omnipotent, because there is something that God cannot do, but an omnipotent being could never limit Himself by definition. To think that an omnipotent being should be able to limit Himself is daft. God is limitless, without limits, unlimited, not bound by human concepts of time and space.

An omnipotent being should be able to create a stone so heavy that He cannot lift it?

That is another absurdity.

By more definition, there are things God cannot do. He cannot take from outside Himself. He cannot be greater. By definition , God cannot take +1 from outside Itself.

There is nothing outside of God by definition, therefore there is nothing to take outside of Himself which is not in Himself to add to Himself. The whole notion of "taking something from outside Himself" is an absurdity, as it implies that there is possible something outside of God, which by definition is not possible. Which is why the idea of taking +1 from somewhere that is outside of God and adding it to God to create an equivalency with something that is outside of God called Gilbert is an absurdity.

"God IS limited."

No, by definition God is Unlimited.

"By your own definition, you have shown how God is is not complete, how God is limited, how therefore God can be added to."

No, you must be confused. My definition is that God is complete and cannot added unto from outside, as there is nothing outside of God. It is not possible to add to something that is complete, which already contains everything.

Even the thought of subtracting from God is absurd, because there would be no place to put what was subtracted outside of God. Nothing is outside of God by definition.

Then perhaps it's time for a re-think.

Yes I agree, you really do need to re-think.

 

[Turok]

The Ztroll tells us how "God is unlimited", in the midst of a post telling us what he/she/it CAN'T DO!

Priceless.

JB

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Oh boy, the smartest man on the planet coming to tell us what God could and coult not do!

Oh, blessed be...

Praise to Lord Turok!

Quote from Turok:

The Ztroll tells us how "God is unlimited", then promptly proceeds to tell us what he/she/it CAN'T DO!

Priceless.

JB

 

[stu]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Then by definition there is something God cannot be. God cannot be limited.

God is not limited, by definition. God cannot be limited.

Some will then argue that God must not be omnipotent, because there is something that God cannot do, but an omnipotent being could never limit Himself by definition. To think that an omnipotent being should be able to limit Himself is daft. God is limitless, without limits, unlimited, not bound by human concepts of time and space.

An omnipotent being should be able to create a stone so heavy that He cannot lift it?

That is another absurdity.

By more definition, there are things God cannot do. He cannot take from outside Himself. He cannot be greater. By definition , God cannot take +1 from outside Itself.

There is nothing outside of God by definition, therefore there is nothing to take outside of Himself which is not in Himself to add to Himself. The whole notion of "taking something from outside Himself" is an absurdity, as it implies that there is possible something outside of God, which by definition is not possible. Which is why the idea of taking +1 from somewhere that is outside of God and adding it to God to create an equivalency with something that is outside of God called Gilbert is an absurdity.

"God IS limited."

No, by definition God is Unlimited.

"By your own definition, you have shown how God is is not complete, how God is limited, how therefore God can be added to."

No, you must be confused. My definition is that God is complete and cannot added unto from outside, as there is nothing outside of God. It is not possible to add to something that is complete, which already contains everything.

Even the thought of subtracting from God is absurd, because there would be no place to put what was subtracted outside of God. Nothing is outside of God by definition.

Then perhaps it's time for a re-think.

Yes I agree, you really do need to re-think.

.....cannot be limited .....
....is a limitation.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

That God cannot be limited by anything outside of God, because there is nothing outside of God, is not a limitation of God, it is the nature of God to be without limits. Being without limits means no limits can be imposed on God.

You think God should be able to impose limits on His own unlimited nature?

LOL!

You need to re-think, again.

Quote from stu:

.....cannot be limited .....
....is a limitation.

 

[Turok]

Quote from Ztroll:

Oh boy, the smartest man on the planet coming to tell us what God could and coult not do!

Interestingly enough, it is *only you* who is attempting to tell us what god could and could not do.

I only hold one thing as fact ... if god is truly "unlimited" as you say, then god cannot be limted as you say.

JB

 

[Turok]

Ztroll:
>That God cannot be limited by anything outside
>of God, because there is nothing outside of God

If an "unlimited" god wants there to be something "outside of god", there will be.

You telling this "unlimited" god that it can't be done is merely Troll hubris. (and just plaid stupid).

JB

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

If an "unlimited" god wants there to be something "outside of god", there will be.

So your are suggesting that unlimited God wants something to be outside of himself?

Too funny.

Oh great Lord Turok, who knows what God would want!

Blessed Be!

God is without want by definition...

Lord Turok, just plaid stupid.

Quote from Turok:

Ztroll:
>That God cannot be limited by anything outside
>of God, because there is nothing outside of God

If an "unlimited" god wants there to be something "outside of god", there will be.

You telling him it can't be done is merely Troll hubris. (and just plaid stupid).

JB

 

[Turok]

Me:
>If an "unlimited" god wants there to be something
>"outside of god", there will be.

Ztroll:
>So your are suggesting that unlimited God wants
>something to be outside of himself?

No, I'm suggesting only what I wrote, not what you just wrote.

>God is without want by definition...

A: I'd like to see you produce such a definition from a commonly accepted source.

B: According to the Christians, you are wrong about that. They will argue with you (with biblical backup) that God wants all of us to follow him, love him, honor him, fear him and end up in heaven.

One of many verses they use to support the above:
2 Peter 3.9:
"The Lord is not slow about his promise ... but is
patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but
all to come to repentance."

Many of us do none of the above. It is biblically written that this angers and pains God. Muslims have eerily similar teachings.

Clearly, the God(s) that most people on the planet believe in do have wants.

If you have your own isolated version of God, that's fine by me. But if your God is "unlimited", he *can* have anything ... including wants.

To say he can have no wants is to say that I can have something that God can't -- hardly an "unlimited" God.

JB

PS: and yes, I think you're just plaid crazy.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Quote from Lord Turok:

Lord Turok
>If an "unlimited" god wants there to be something
>"outside of god", there will be.

Non sequitur. God is without wants by definition.

"I'd like to see you produce such a definition from a commonly accepted source."

I leave you, Lord Turok to rule over the common and banal, because of course that is your dominion. You produce more common and banal ideas than anyone I know.

"According to the Christians, you are wrong about that. They will argue with you (with biblical backup) that God wants all of us to follow him, love him, honor him, fear him and end up in heaven."

I am not a Christian, I have no concern with their beliefs.

"One of many verses they use to support the above:
2 Peter 3.9:
"The Lord is not slow about his promise ... but is
patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but
all to come to repentance.""

The great Lord Turok, the prophet of Christian verse knows what the verses mean...

"Many of us do none of the above."

So? What many do is irrelevant.

"It is biblically written that this angers and pains God. Muslims have eerily similar teachings."

Lord Turok knows what the Bible means, he is the leading expert in what he Bible means...

"Clearly, the God(s) that most people on the planet believe in do have wants."

So, what most people believe is an important criteria to you?

LOL!

Lord Turok making a joke again...

"If you have your own isolated version of God, that's fine by me. But if your God is "unlimited", he *can* have anything ... including wants."

You can believe it is isolated, which would show your ignorance, but after all you are Lord Turok, an ex-con, living a full life, talking to Dusty behind the bench, playing a guitar alone in a motel, etc.

God cannot have wants, God is beyond wanting.

"An all powerful God should be able to make Himself powerless. If He can't make himself powerless, than he is not all powerful."

This kind of sophistry and equivocation illustrates the genuine absurdity of the positions atheist will take to deny the concept of God's unlimited nature.


"To say he can have no wants is to say that I can have something that God can't -- hardly an "unlimited" God."

Yes, you can have ignorance where God can only have knowledge.

Oh, that makes you more powerful than God because you can have wants and ignorance?

Of course you can't have permanent happiness or complete knowledge, you are stuck with wants and ignorance, but that's the way of Lord Turok.