So please answer the question.
What would it take to satisfy "scientific" proof, apart from meeting the Designer or finding plans that predated (LMAO, again) the Universe?
Seriously, show me the test that is required to falsify the assertion that the Universe is a product of design and not non design...
Simply saying "we can't see a Designer" or "we don't see the plans that existed prior to life coming into being" is hardly a scientific rebuttal.
No one argues that the laws of nature themselves are an evolving situation, quite the contrary.
The entire concept of non ID is based upon and founded upon the assumption of an unchanging condition of the laws and tendencies observed in nature. The essential "nature" of life itself is based on principles that life itself doesn't change, it evolves into different forms of the same essential life force. All living beings have some things in common, i.e. they are born, they live, they die, and they attempt to survive along the way. They adapt to the best of their ability to survive. So there is a fundamental notion of something at work that is eternal and unchanging that is the foundation of life.
So we have "eternal" laws of nature (I say eternal because I have seen no proof that they came into being from non being, or that there was a condition prior to their existence in which laws of nature did not exist) and we have everything else, which includes both living and non living things.
We have matter, we have energy, and we have these "forces" that give shape to the movement in a pretty darn predictable manner.
Except this concept of "random spontaneous change for no reason" which can't be predicted as to when it will happen, if it will happen, but is underlying the entire concept of non ID.
So where did all of this come from? These eternal (meaning they exist forever within time) aspects of the universe just popped out of nowhere, by no known force that "popped them out" of nothing?
That really is magic...
The non ID crowd believes in magic, obviously...
What would it take to satisfy "scientific" proof, apart from meeting the Designer or finding plans that predated (LMAO, again) the Universe?
Seriously, show me the test that is required to falsify the assertion that the Universe is a product of design and not non design...
Simply saying "we can't see a Designer" or "we don't see the plans that existed prior to life coming into being" is hardly a scientific rebuttal.
No one argues that the laws of nature themselves are an evolving situation, quite the contrary.
The entire concept of non ID is based upon and founded upon the assumption of an unchanging condition of the laws and tendencies observed in nature. The essential "nature" of life itself is based on principles that life itself doesn't change, it evolves into different forms of the same essential life force. All living beings have some things in common, i.e. they are born, they live, they die, and they attempt to survive along the way. They adapt to the best of their ability to survive. So there is a fundamental notion of something at work that is eternal and unchanging that is the foundation of life.
So we have "eternal" laws of nature (I say eternal because I have seen no proof that they came into being from non being, or that there was a condition prior to their existence in which laws of nature did not exist) and we have everything else, which includes both living and non living things.
We have matter, we have energy, and we have these "forces" that give shape to the movement in a pretty darn predictable manner.
Except this concept of "random spontaneous change for no reason" which can't be predicted as to when it will happen, if it will happen, but is underlying the entire concept of non ID.
So where did all of this come from? These eternal (meaning they exist forever within time) aspects of the universe just popped out of nowhere, by no known force that "popped them out" of nothing?
That really is magic...
The non ID crowd believes in magic, obviously...