Intelligent Design is not creationism

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

ad infinitum...plus one, of course.
You are truly pathetic+1.
You converted to Gilbertism then. Prase be. Gilbert truly works in mysterious ways.
Even with TrollZzz apparently.
 
More delusion from the "rational" side of life...

Quote from stu:

You converted to Gilbertism then. Prase be. Gilbert truly works in mysterious ways.
Even with TrollZzz apparently.
 
Quote from stu:

Sure seems to work dude.
TrollZzz does embody the manifestation of Pathetic Design,. Still, it's evidence I suppose, which is something more than ID has ever managed.

There's evidence of pathological design everywhere!

Scientists could probably get more funding if they approached it this way.

The findings would probably be allowed in the schools.

The only catch is you are what you teach! :)


It beats "son of amoeba".

Jesus
 
In fact, there's evidence everywhere that pathological design is evolving!

No need to venture out to a remote island to discover it!

Stu, you may have found your calling!

Jesus
 
Stu wrote:
Your contention is that Behe never claimed to have anything in common with Francis Crick..because you assert they had something in common.

Your contention is contradictory. But then again, slippy duplicitous talk is a design feature of ID.

It is your contention that Behe is a creationist. It is my contention that Behe and Crick both posit that intelligence was behind the origin of life on earth. If positing that intelligence was behind the origin of life on earth makes one a creatioist then Crick was a creationist. So one more time: let's see your definition of creationist.
 
Stu wrote:
The detective came to a wrong conclusion through the inference that was “teleological causation.” It was wrong. so you just throw the blame on the dick, nothing to do with the wrong inference through “teleological causation.”

You're confusing your scenario with mine. In my scenario the detective makes an initial inference to teleological causation which 99.9% of the time would be correct. But this is not the final conclusion. This is the beginning of an investigation. I never said a design inference is alway 100% accurate. The point of the illustration was that in certain cases a design inference is warranted and worth investigating. No one is saying that an investigation couldn't uncover evidence that would prove an initial design inference wrong.
 
Stu wrote:
If it were the case someone only need make a claim then everyone else had to establish what evidence supported that claim, then I'll make a claim of Fairy Design (FD)...
Now... you tell me what counts as evidence for FD! There isn't any?. I thought not.. (Are you sure you looked at ALL the data in the natural world?) Your argument really is that silly..

No, your argument is silly. Design is design. How does fairy design differ from human-like design? While there is an obvious connection between intelligent engineers and things like machines, I don’t see the connection between fairies and machines. Unless of course, you want to envision such entities as intelligent engineers, in which case, their fairyishness is irrelevant.
 
Stu wrote:
Teleology is a philosophy to do with ends or purposes, so it can ultimately always lead to infinite regress.

So you can never infer design in any case? You don't think this post is the result of a teleological process? I guess you think it best to stop the regress of explanation at the computer screen itself.
 
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