This time based upon incredulity.
A better understanding of these so called designs. might start with a realization that the 'design' repeatedly falls over time after time, duplicating mistakes, leading to destruction pain misery and death.
Okay boys and girls, put on your thinking caps and see if you can see why this statement is flawed, and does nothing to counter the concept of Design.
Need some more time?
Okay, so you can't figure it out.
Design means design, nothing more.
All the flaws that stu
pid thinks he sees, all the so called repeatedly falls over time after time, duplicating mistakes, leading to pain misery and death...are are
logically possibly by design.
Let me repeat, all the problems that
we see, that we conclude that the world is not perfect, and therefore could not be by design is a false conclusion.
I think what is really going on with the anti ID crowd is that they are so deeply disappointed because they thought a Creator should produce a world that is perfect, where bad things never happen, where painful change never happens, where there is no death, no suffering, no injustice...so in essence they want to blame a Designer of life for the life.
The atheists all have a concept of God, and are either pissed off and disappointed that God is not what they wanted God to be, because they failed to find him, and they are stuck in the endless cycle of birth and death, or they think they could do better if they had the power of one who could create the endless Universe.
It is little more than a case of sour grapes and childish thinking, as illustrated by the illogical conclusion. The conclusion they reach to explain why there could be no designer is because of they pain they see and feel in life, and have no idea why a good Designer would do such a thing.
I have seen similar things, when a child sits crying because their mother would not give them the toy they wanted...
It is deeply absurd, and actually a logical disturbance of the mind that someone who doesn't have the ability to design a universe should sit and whine about the design of life, but that is what children do, and apparently some so called adults as well...
How much human suffering is from natural causes, and how much is from man's own doings....yet the focus never actually goes to how little man has evolved internally.
The seven deadly sins are still alive an well...and yet the immature and illogical blame is still put on God/Nature...
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It obviously is a question of ID'ists merely marvelling at the design of life.Another ID pseudo argument. This time based upon incredulity.
A better understanding of these so called designs. might start with a realization that the 'design' repeatedly falls over time after time, duplicating mistakes, leading to destruction pain misery and death. And the ID/creationist would consider that to be superior. Why? Because the design kills you? Because the design prevents creation - prevents life in the first place?.Not superior are the human 'designs' which are contrastingly brought about artificially to counteract. overcome and cure those failing 'ones he is 'marvelling at. In marveling at dysfunctional designs he is merely being perverse.
But that is the way of ID. It has no clarity and no verifiable explanations ID/ creationism cares nothing for accuracy and relies completely on creating its own dishonest controversy. Trying to perversely argue its way into science with misinformation distortion ignorance or unanswered mystery. will suffice to confuse an issue into .disputation, which is the creationists first aim. It is all they have. To spread an infection of creator designer God outside personal belief via any means possible no matter how disreputable.
ID despises the idea of things being natural. Elements occurring reacting ,altering completely naturally over eons without a need for anything except existence itself to form into what they are, That those particular shapes and functions which ID calls design, could come about that way is unthinkable for a creationist. God can do that of course, but the very things recognized tested observed measured verified and confirmed as doing so through the process of evolution cannot. So their God could be right under their nose as evolution itself, but it's reason alone for the ID'er never to acknowledge It. The "Creator" is real only when it is not. And for that, they would be content to ridicule and destroy all known understanding if necessary.
When you do actually look, things don't "look like" they are intelligently designed. The whole notion of design is fundementally the ability to recognize pattern. For patterns to be intelligently designed means they require a creator They would be created. That is creationism. The title of the thread is incorrect. ID is de facto, creationism.
