Intelligent Design is not creationism

[ddunbar]

Quote from traderNik:

ID/Creation is a faith-based belief system.

It's as simple as that. It really is.

Proponents of ID/C use appeal to authority and circular logic to defend their belief system. ID/C implies the existence of a Creator God. There is not now, nor by definition can there ever be, any proof for the existence of an Intelligent Creator God. Thus ID/C cannot ever be the basis for a scientific theory about the origin of life on earth.

100% true. Unless of course the IDer manifests itself and verifies its work.

Ours is a secular society in its public face. Religious faith is a private matter, and should remain private. ID/C is a reaction by religious fundamentalists against the continued ascendency of secular thought in Western society. In this, proponents of ID/C share a common goal with the Islamic fundamentalists who now threaten the West, in the sense that they seek to reverse the process of human advancement and freeze us into a steady state of religiously informed status quo.

A bit of a leap there as far as the Islamic thing. I see it as a group of people who are not secure in their faith and are essentially looking for justifcation for maintaining and validation of that faith.

You know, come to think of it, I take that back - the "bit of a leap" part. Especially in America. I initally mis-read "reverse the process of human advancement" as something other that what I thought you were meaning. But you're correct. Just look at the religious right having the audacity to attempt to impose Christian values upon secular people. There is no New Testament directive (unlike in Islam) to do so. Gays want to marry? So what? Can't see how that affects a Christian personally? Doesn't affect me in the least. Etc., etc.

Anyway, as a Christian, I enjoy reading about evolution, cosmology, and astromony and physics. Watch many of the shows on PBS that deal with such subjetcs such as NOVA. Visit websites about it especially the current Mars missions and the latest finds. So what if at the end of the day I look at it all as God's creation. In my mind, it doesn't discredit the often galant work that many have undertaken to understand our existence.

 

[jem]

Quote from traderNik:

Sorry buddy. 'Plane' for 'plain' isn't a typo, much as you might wish it were. It is a spelling error.

If you are not a native English speaker, such an error is of course no issue at all.

If you are a native English speaker and you thought that 'plain' was 'plane'... it speaks to your level of intellectual development, sorry to say.

In my experience, there is a clear negative correlation between intellectual development and religious faith. There are exceptions of course, but this seems to be the general trend. Thus, your errors are not particularly surprising.

You could be the world's best trader and not know how to spell, that is for sure. Intellectual development is not positively correlated with trading skill - this website has convinced me of that.

However, when engaged in the give and take of ideas, your errors in this area will necessarily undermine your credibility.

Sorry, that's life.

By they way, aren't you the one who was pretending to be a lawyer?

You clearly have never tried to type fast.

When many non professionals type, they say the word under their breath. they do not spell the word out.

If this were important to me I would type in word or word perfect, edit my comments. Run a spell check and read it again.

I am not the only person who has trouble with a firefox browser and edite their comments on this type of chat board.


I am getting he impression it may have something to do with the settings I have selected.

 

[jem]

Quote from kjkent1:

Please quote Susskind's book, paragraph 2 of page 39. Thanks in advance.

well I cant do that but I will give you a link to the introduction.

http://www.twbookmark.com/books/28/0316155799/chapter_excerpt22014.html

 

[WoodyAllen]

Quote from ddunbar:

Anyway, as a Christian, I enjoy reading about evolution, cosmology, and astromony and physics....... In my mind, it doesn't discredit the often galant work that many have undertaken to understand our existence.

Love is the answer - but while you're waiting for the answer, sex raises some pretty interesting questions.

 

[kjkent1]

Quote from jem:

well I cant do that but I will give you a link to the introduction.

http://www.twbookmark.com/books/28/0316155799/chapter_excerpt22014.html

And, why, exactly can't you quote me from paragraph 2 of page 39?

I doubt that you've memorized Susskind's book, word for word, yet you quote it so easily. And now, when I ask you to quote a specific passage, you can't do it.

How very strange...

 

[quantzack]

Quote from kjkent1:

....quote me from paragraph 2 of page 39...... Susskind's book.....How very strange...

OK, I'll bite.....What does it say kjkent1?

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from jem:

You clearly have never tried to type fast.

When many non professionals type, they say the word under their breath. they do not spell the word out.

If this were important to me I would type in word or word perfect, edit my comments. Run a spell check and read it again.

I am not the only person who has trouble with a firefox browser and edite their comments on this type of chat board.


I am getting he impression it may have something to do with the settings I have selected.

FYI, on the window where you type in your post, there are three buttons in the same row, where you click "Submit Reply" in your Firefox browser (I always use Firefox). Next to "Submit Reply" is "Preview Reply." Next to "Preview Reply" is "Check Spelling." ET's spellchecker works pretty well, AFAIK. Don't tell me you never saw those buttons.

BTW, your Word or Wordperfect spellcheckers won't catch "plane English" as misspelled words. Plane English is a legit phrase. It means the language you speak on a plane (as in airplane).

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

Great to see you admit your assertions are indigestible waste material, with your appeal to the expertise of another on such matters. Normally, I would have expected a cat like you to be much more defensive and argumentative...

Nice to see you not objecting when someone points out the odoriferous nature of your assertions...

Quote from kjkent1:

Who am I to disagree with you -- the leading expert on indigestible waste material.

 

[FanOfFridays]

Quote from jem:
You clearly have never tried to type fast.

When many non professionals type, they say the word under their breath. they do not spell the word out.

Sorry... not working. You thought 'plain' was spelled 'P-L-A-N-E'. That's it. Nothing to do with typing too fast. When people see me typing, their eyes bug out of their head, and they say 'WTF?? How did you learn to type so fast??'. The reason I can type so fast is that my spelling is really good.

I notice you didn't address the issue about your statements that you are a lawyer.

 

[kjkent1]

Quote from quantzack:

OK, I'll bite.....What does it say kjkent1?

Do, you mean that, like jem, you also don't know what it says at page 39 paragraph 2, of Susskind's book. Why that is absolutely startling!

How is it possible that a person who is constantly quoting a particular book as the foundation of his argument about what the cosmological constant and string theory mean to the author of that book, suddenly, when asked, admits that he cannot quote from a particular page and paragraph of that very same book?

Elementary my dear Watson. Because, like you, jem doesn't own the book! All jem knows about what Susskind says in the book is what jem has extracted out of context from the Internet. Otherwise, he would have been able to quote from the passage I requested (which, by the way, was entirely at random -- I could give a shit what it actually said at page 39, paragraph 2).

And, it's no good that jem runs out and immediately purchases the book to cover his ass, now, because he's been quoting from the book as if he's owned it, continuously for over a month in this thread. So, unless, just today, only minutes before I requested that he quote that particular passage from the book, he suddenly loaned it out, returned it to the library, dropped it in a puddle of water, etc., then jem has obviously never read Susskind's book, and he really has no clue about what it says, at page 39, or at any other page.

BTW, just so you know that I "do" own the book, page 39, paragraph 2 begins: "The photon also can move from one space-time point to another."

And jem calls "me" a "first-class liar."