Intelligent Design is not creationism

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

When I was a child, before I put away childish things, while on some cross country trip...I read on a billboard somewhere:

"Why Do The Heathen Rage?"

Naturally, as a child wonders, and not being a product of a dogmatic religious environment, I wondered not only why do the heathen rage, but who were these heathen that rage?

I asked my parents who were these heathens, and why do they rage?

They just laughed, and said:

"If you meet them some day, why don't you ask them why they are heathens, and why do they rage?"

Having now spent sufficient time here at ET reading the condescending and angry posts of atheists who strut along with a massive chip on their shoulder, I begin to understand why...
and a child you still are... if you are unable to take a leap of faith and tell me frankly what it is that fundamentally bothers you with my previous post... you know the one i mean
 
Quote from I am...:


Listen very carefully. Creation is utterly powerless. It becomes powerful according to that which you give unto it - the value, the meaning, the purpose, and the function. These things come not from creation itself, but rather they are extended to it; they flow to it. They penetrate creation through the minds - which share one Mind - of each and every one of you.

That is why it is impossible to look upon anything as outside of you. The great glory of the time given unto you - the time you experience as a body-mind upon an apparent planet, upon an apparent physical universe - is this. The great glory and gift of time is that you remain infinitely free to decide how you will choose to perceive creation, and, therefor, imbue it with the power that either reflects illusion and the creations of fear, or extends the good, the holy and the beautiful.

Each time you think a loving thought, you have literally blessed all infinite realms of creation. Each time you have become unwittingly identified with a fearful thought, you have separated yourself from the perfect Love of God, and you have denied your function. Here I am using the term "separation" in that it creates the illusion within your mind that there is something you must separate from in order to find your safety, your invulnerability.

Rather, love embraces all things and trusts all things. Love is the nature of your being. When you become committed to resting only in loving thoughts, you will discover that illusions are just that - they contain no existence. As you learn anew to love, you allow that Love to transform a temporary illusion into that which extends the good, the holy and the beautiful.

The realm of illusion - what appears to be solid matter, of people with different opinions - holds no power to prevent you from bringing forth the blessing than heals all illusion. Yet, that blessing will hold no power until you return to the beginning. The beginning is just that state of unknowing, of not knowing, of realizing your complete ignorance. For Christ does not store perceptions and knowledge.

Herein lies your purpose. Herein lies your function and herein - and only here - is Life.

When you decide to fully accept the one purpose given to you, in reality, there will be nothing that will block your way. Every step you take will, literally, take you through obstacles that dissolve as you approach them. For because you abide in the Mind of God, you know no limitation.

Therefore all of creation awaits your welcome. Creation waits upon you because it is powerless. Being the extension or the reflection of thought, you are the literal creator of the world. that world exists nowhere, save within your own mind.

Forgiveness is the bridge that brings creation to you and you to it. And when you have joined with it through forgiveness, now the embrace is easy, for that creation rests in the palm of your hand. Until forgiveness is genuine, embracing is not possible.

Creation does not wait to swallow you. Creation does not wait upon you to scuttle your dreams and plans. Creation is innocent. Creation waits for you to embrace it.

Therefore, what world must you embrace? Must you travel somewhere to find the world that awaits your welcome? No. Must you go anywhere to discover the ability to bless and heal creation? No. The world that waits your welcome is, quite literally the thoughts and perceptions that you discover streaming through the field of your unique awareness, and that is all.

Beloved friends, chit chatters all, there is nothing outside of you. If you would know God's will for you, merely look upon what is arising within your own mind as a perception, and ask only this:

" Am I willing to use time constructively to embrace this creation passing through the field of my awareness, and bless it with the perfect Love of Christ?"

First, embrace it through forgiveness, which returns it to its neutrality and powerlessness, and then, through that embrace, bless it, and thereby dissolve the illusory power that it seemed to hold.

As you choose to truly practice being the presence of Christ as you cultivate the practice of blessing the world, you will discover a very interesting thing. In reality, there is nothing that is personal. There is only Christ, as God's true and only creation, and the field of illusion that has been birthed through the freedom of that Mind when once it thought, " I wonder if I can create something unlike God?" Those are the two options - love or fear, reality or illusion.

Therefore, all that you see that is unlike Love are merely passing phenomena, arising within the holy Mind of Christ, as temporary attempts to do something different than what Christ is created for. Therefore, when anything arises within the mind, it is truly not necessary to analyze it. Certainly do not argue for it. But rather, come back to the point of ignorance.

It's ok, for example, to look around and say, "I don't know what this is for!"

Regarding egos, it's ok to look around and say, "I don't know what jem and ZZZZzzzz for!"

I myself look around and say, "I don't know what stu and lkh and ZZZZzzz are for!"

They are simply there, and they are what is arising in your mind. Are you willing to bless them? As you do so, your own sense of "I" becomes increasingly transparent until it simply dissolves away in Light, as though it had never been.

At that point you may have to choose a new alias. :)
You have much more to offer than 2cents.

That Love which has given birth to all things is within you now. All universes arise within you. All of creation waits your welcome. Creation waits upon your welcome by merely holding a thought such as, "All right, it's all arising within me anyway. I've tried a million ways to avoid ZZZZzzz and get away from him, and yet, he seems to follow me whereever I go. I might as well sit down at my computer, have a nice cold glass of water, listen to some good music, and simply bless him". This is the moment that is crying out for Love. This is the moment that will be repeated ad nauseam until somebody decides to bless him. It might as well be you! This analogy may be extended to all creation.



Blessings,

Jesus

Please, not the tired old "you are God" line of nonsense.

That's old-school. Get an upgrade, at least.

(Some of the poetry is well done. I'll concede that.)
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:


Having now spent sufficient time here at ET reading the condescending and angry posts of atheists who strut along with a massive chip on their shoulder, I begin to understand why...

When one becomes identified with a body-mind package, it is the unwitting identification with a fearful thought. The body-mind then goes into overdrive creating the illusion that there is something it must separate from in order to find its safety...its invulnerability. This is a type of salvation, and it requires great faith. They rage against yet another illusion, in which there is a God that is hunting them down to punish them. In defense of themselves, they attack, making all gods non-existent. Who can blame them? Yet they attack nothing outside of their own mind. All egos perpetuating myths about gods who punish are symbols of their own thoughts.

The war is within, and it is for salvation...a sense of safety and invulnerability. They rage only for love.

This scenario then plays out in many forms. Who is more fearful today then the perpetuators of punishing-God myths? The myths are so prevalent that the idea of a loving God is lost, and many will attack ANY idea of God. In doing so, they attack themselves, and lose their true identity. Losing identity, they show less than love, just as the perveyors of mad-God myths show less than love. It's all perceptions. Believe it or not, even the building of armies and multiplication of weapons of war is a raging for love...as insane as that appears. Sane or insane, all seek love one way or another.

Forgive them and embrace them as symbols of your own thoughts so that the war within can give way to peace.

The ultimate state of consciousness is not an aversion of this world, but the embracing of this world. There is no greater sense of freedom than to be able to abide where you are as one who is free.

Blessings,

Jesus
 
Quote from Jampilier:

Please, not the tired old "you are God" line of nonsense.

That's old-school. Get an upgrade, at least.

(Some of the poetry is well done. I'll concede that.)

What's new-school?

I'll admit, the murmuring is well done.

Blessings,

Jesus
 
Quote from Teleologist:

Randomness is an illusion caused by incomplete information of the chain of causal events.
the illusion is that there be a chain of causal events... however good a conceptual approximation it might be in our macroscopic world and at some other intermediate scales of observation... quantum mechanics... familiar?
 
Quote from Jampilier:

Please, not the tired old "you are God" line of nonsense.

That's old-school. Get an upgrade, at least.

(Some of the poetry is well done. I'll concede that.)
u can read that?
 
Quote from 2cents:

well, these developments do raise huge ethical & societal issues, don't they?

i'd definitely want to have religious leaders on board with what's being done, at least have a say... i mean, it's not like we are trying to build sthg against another part of humanity, right?

Sure, technology always raises ethical and societal issues. It always has, it always will. Genetic engineering can produce what for us appear to be very weird results.

I personally have nothing against religious leaders being involved in these debates. These people, though, are hardly religious leaders. When you make a statement like 'Asking why is a sin', that's not leadership. It's fruitcake.

When you make a statement like 'Kids on pediatric cancer wards did something to land themselves there, because God doesn't make mistakes', that's insane. That one is attributable to Z in this thread.

I know a lot of religious people. I was with one of them tonight, as a matter of fact, a guy who was born into a Mennonite family. One of the nicest guys I know, a great family man, a fantastic musician, an honest man. He lives his life according to the precepts of his faith. I asked him about the ID thing and he scoffed at it, calling it propaganda. He said that it is ridiculous that zealots should be trying to force their agenda down our throats.

You want to know what he said? He said...

'It is up to me to teach my children the lessons that I personally think are important. I can only tell them what I believe, and show them how my beliefs have guided my life. It is then up to them to decide what they believe in'.

Religion is a private matter.

I asked him what he would have to say if one of his kids came home from university and told him that they had enrolled in science, specializing in evolutionary genetics. He said he would always be proud of his kids and support them in anything they wanted to do. I would ask him to be on the committee before any of my more liberal friends.
 
Quote from 2cents:

the illusion is that there be a chain of causal events... however good a conceptual approximation it might be in our macroscopic world and at some other intermediate scales of observation... quantum mechanics... familiar?

Z doesn't understand about causality breaking down at the sub-atomic level. He has no idea what you're talking about, nor does he want to know.
 
am with you on this... and your previous mail... thing is, the church has changed, we all learn from our mistakes... they're not going to take a stance that the earth is flat this time round, just because it very much looks like it is...
 
Quote from Jampilier:



(Some of the poetry is well done. I'll concede that.)

Communication IS creation. These two are one and the same. Therefore, if you would create well, ask only:

What am I committed to communicating?
What will my creations express?
What will my creations convey to others?
For what I seek to convey reveals what I believe is the truth of my Self to the world.


Allow me to communicate this about that!

You are as God created you to be. You are an infinite focus of consciousness. Your very sense of existence is nothing more than a feedback loop or feedback mechanism - think quantum mechanics - so that you can witness the effects of the choices you are making in the very deep, deep depth of your mind that rests alongside the Mind of God.

Therefore, in each moment of your existence, which includes this bodily incarnation, you are literally allowing through deliberate choice - though perhaps unconscious - to bring forth a vibration of thought or a vibration of creation...and to commune-i-cate it to the world in an attempt to experience communion with all life.

Each gesture, each thought, the way that the body breathes, all of these things are going on constantly, and they are communicating or revealing the effect of what you have allowed to make a home in your mind. I am speaking to the "I" of "you" that is pure Spirit that knows it exists, even though it does not know the time of its own creation. As pure Spirit, you know:

" I am only this, and in each moment, regardless of what I believe I see, regardless of the feelings that arise within my awareness, I and I alone am wholly responsible for them. No one has caused them. No great force in the universe has made this perception well up within my consciousness. I have selected it. "

"My" words, then, are not so much mine, as they are Yours speaking to you.


The question then becomes:

What kind of school is this?

Blessings,

Jesus
 
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