Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
You use as much data as available to verify your theory. You check to see if the predictions made by theory agree with the data. If they don't agree, you try to find out what is wrong with the theory (or sometimes, the data can be wrong too).
Incomplete data results in incomplete theory.
In no way ignorant chance is a conclusion. Just like in physics, Newton's laws are not conclusions. Anyone treating them as conclusions have been cast aside by the advancing science.
It is both a conclusion of the no-IDers and an assumption that leads to that conclusion, hence circular.
If ID is to be treated as a viable scientific theory, it has to go through the same scrutiny. It needs to make precise, verifiable predictions and then be compared with the actual data. I am not an expert on ID so I don't know whether such predictions have been made and verified. If what you claim represents accurately the ID theory, that mutations are not random, then it is a verifiable prediction. That prediction does not agree with all the data available today.
ID is ID. Non-ID is being taught as fact. Kids actually go around thinking they descended from apes.
That is dogma at work.
Your claim that because we don't have a "complete" set of data so we cannot say anything is nonsense. All scientific verifications are done with the data available today. When new data come and uncover new phenomena, we will modify our theory accordingly and make progress. To say that unless we have "complete" data or your claim cannot be verified betrays your complete ignorance of science.
Incomplete data produced incomplete results, without complete verification.
We see an assumption of ignorant chance being used as the fulcrum to explain a theory of ignorant chance.
It is just plain circular.
Wonderful! You just denied the justification for entire science.
Science never has complete data nor complete theory. Whenever something is declared "complete," it becomes a dogma and no longer a science.
I guess that's the real difference between ID and science.