More troll gobbledygook...
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Intelligent Design is not creationism
- Thread starter Teleologist
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Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
More troll gobbledygook...
Ok... so as Teleologist, you are representing yourself as someone who believes in ID, a theory which implies that a scientific proof of a non-random origin for life on earth can be found.
Yet at the same time you have stated that your actual beliefs about the origin of life on earth are unprovable and faith-based.
Hmmm... now what's wrong with this picture?
More Troll Gobbledygook, I'm afraid.
By the way, your sentence construction is really whacked tonight. Hitting the juice again? Also, can you tell us how many times you've been banned from ET?
More troll gobbledygook...
Quote from traderNik:
Ok... so as Teleologist, you are representing yourself as someone who believes in ID, a theory which implies that a scientific proof of a non-random origin for life on earth can be found.
Yet at the same time you have stated that your actual beliefs about the origin of life on earth are unprovable and faith-based.
Hmmm... now what's wrong with this picture?
More Troll Gobbledygook, I'm afraid.
By the way, your sentence construction is really whacked tonight. Hitting the juice again?
its your right to disagree of course... however there is no such thing as an ID theory as far as science is concerned, therefore "non ID" doesn't really speak to me, sorry...Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
That is your opinion that it has been exposed, but I disagree.
The central component of non ID theory is based on ignorance, i.e. ignorance of the cause of change.
There is no mathematical formula for so called "random" mutations, no way to predict with precision when and where they might happen, no explanation of why they happen...we are just left to accept that it is some mysterious unguided random force that triggers these "random" mutations.
as far as evolution theory however, if thats what you were trying to say, to couch this in "theist neutral" terms if u will, similar to most scientific theories, it purports to provide a framework to understand & describe / modelize what actually happens, and make predictions as to what else may happen shld the theory prove robust enough - not necessarily answer teleological type questions... fair?
now refocussing on the search for more ultimate explanations / frameworks as to the true nature & laws of mutation dynamics etc if any, are you familiar with temporal hierarchies concepts & maths?
There is no such thing as an ID theory as far as science is concerned?
Is that the ostrich answer?
Is that the ostrich answer?
Quote from 2cents:
its your right to disagree of course... however there is no such thing as an ID theory as far as science is concerned, therefore "non ID" doesn't really speak to me, sorry...
as far as evolution theory however, if thats what you were trying to say, to couch this in "theist neutral" terms if u will, similar to most scientific theories, it purports to provide a framework to understand & describe / modelize what actually happens, and make predictions as to what else may happen shld the theory prove robust enough - not necessarily answer teleological type questions... fair?
now refocussing on the search for more ultimate explanations / frameworks as to the true nature & laws of mutation dynamics etc if any, are you familiar with temporal hierarchies concepts & maths?
DRTOMASO wrote:
Your knowlege and experience with forum posts doesn't explain the origin of posters but that doesn't preclude posters from being natural. Likewise, failure to explain the origin of the designers of life on earth doesn't preclude them from being natural. Either one of us can invoke abiogenesis to explain how first life in the universe orginated but that's just speculation.
Actually my knowlege and experience with forum posts explains the origin of your posts quite handily. It was written by a human, who is a member of a species that evolved from a single-celled common ancestor that arose through abiogenesis. My argument does not suffer the infinte regress problem, at all.
Your knowlege and experience with forum posts doesn't explain the origin of posters but that doesn't preclude posters from being natural. Likewise, failure to explain the origin of the designers of life on earth doesn't preclude them from being natural. Either one of us can invoke abiogenesis to explain how first life in the universe orginated but that's just speculation.
2cents wrote:
I've got news for you. ID is a theory of evolution. ID is an alternative to the view that evolution proceeds solely via accident and coincidence.
ID is an investigation into the logical possibility that evolution is the product/output of design. Or put another way, that life is designed to exploit and channel evolutionary processes.
there is no such thing as an ID theory as far as science is concerned...as far as evolution theory however...
I've got news for you. ID is a theory of evolution. ID is an alternative to the view that evolution proceeds solely via accident and coincidence.
ID is an investigation into the logical possibility that evolution is the product/output of design. Or put another way, that life is designed to exploit and channel evolutionary processes.
Design is a verb not a noun, design will need a designer. According to your version of ID then, who/what is the designer?Quote from Teleologist:
2cents wrote:
I've got news for you. ID is a theory of evolution. ID is an alternative to the view that evolution proceeds solely via accident and coincidence.
ID is an investigation into the logical possibility that evolution is the product/output of design. Or put another way, that life is designed to exploit and channel evolutionary processes.
ID is not scientific theory, therefore cannot explain evolution past guess or conjecture.
A program is not a verb, it is a noun. A program will need a programmer.
Darwinists claim that nature is programmed for so called random spontaneous mutations and natural selection, who/what is the programmer of this natural program?
Darwinists claim that nature is programmed for so called random spontaneous mutations and natural selection, who/what is the programmer of this natural program?
Quote from stu:
Design is a verb not a noun, design will need a designer. According to your version of ID then, who/what is the designer?
ID is not scientific theory, therefore cannot explain evolution past guess or conjecture.