Intelligent Design is not creationism

Quote from john dough:

You're right. Science does break down around concepts of infinite, eternal and unlimited ...

Science breaks down around concepts of science as well.
 
Quote from Jampilier:

Illusion clashes with the truth all the time. Try driving down the road while watcing a movie on the DVD player.

Driving down the road is just as much a "movie" -- relative to Reality -- as the movie on the DVD player. Both are illusions, therefore they can clash. Rule of thumb: Any road you can see with the "eyes" of a body is not the Truth. If you see a semi in the oncoming lane, it is not the Truth. Since your Volkswagen is not the Truth either, I recommend staying in your own lane till you know the Truth.

Kids don't try this at home.

Jesus
 
Quote from 2cents:

in what way? evidence makes no requirements, it just is what it is, evidence... how do you propose to test a theory?

A theory is tested based on evidence that excludes available alternate explanations.

On that basis, the evolution of species is still in the funny papers.
 
Quote from I am...:

Driving down the road is just as much a "movie" -- relative to Reality -- as the movie on the DVD player.

You can say that, but I doubt you actually live like that.
 
Quote from Jampilier:

A theory is tested based on evidence that excludes available alternate explanations.
"explanations"? dunno about that... in any event, a given scientific theory doesn't need to concern itself with alternative scientific theories... insofar as the theory is not contradicted by direct observational evidence, the "proof" resides in falsifiable predictions and relevant experiments

g'nite
 
Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:
You have not ruled out design at all. You can't even say what test would rule out design.
Quote from Jampilier:
Superb.
Idiotic. It is not up to us to say 'what test would rule out ID'. It is up to proponents of ID to provide one shred of proof for their theories, something that they have colossally failed to do here, after being asked about 30 times by my count. This is odd, as the whole basis for ID is that it is a scientifically provable theory. Yes, I know, the ID'ers here are obsessed with denigrating the scientific method, even though they are promoting a theory that is scientifically provable. When asked to explain this apparent contradiction, they turtle or stop posting for a few hours.

The whole point of the whole thing is that ID is faith-based and not falsifiable. Therefore it is unscientific. Therefore it is not a theory, but a belief.

btw... here's more proof that Z is Teleologist. Both aliases started down the same road at the same time, that is, claiming that it is up to us to say how we would go about proving or disproving ID (a bizarre idea if there ever was one - start promoting a theory and then call on your opponents to disprove it).
Quote from Zeleologist:
Why don't you tell us what you would count as evidence of ID? Every time I ask this question all I get are crickets chirping.
 
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