Intelligent Design is not creationism

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Ok, a relevant question.
Would it actually make any difference whatsoever, to anyone, to know the true secrets of the universe? Would it effect your daily lives?
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Yes and almost certainly.
 
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Stu wrote:

You are confusing the origin of life with the evolution of species. Molecular machines were part of the first cells. They pre-date plant and animal species by a couple of billion years. Crick and Orgel's hypothesis of Directed Panspermia claims that the first cells on earth were the product of intelligent design. It logically follows that the molecular machines that were part of those cells were also intelligently designed. There is no difference between Crick and Orgel's Directed Panspermia hypothesis and Behe's hypothesis when it comes to the origin of molecular machines. Both posit a telic origin for them.

Stu wrote:

No it isn't. Behe is skeptical of a non-telic orgin of life just as Crick and Orgel were. And like Crick and Orgel he accepts that species evolve. There is simply no logical reason why one can't be skeptical of a non-telic origin of life and at the same time accept that species evolve.
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Who cares what Behe or Dawkins' believes.

What do you believe and what's your proof. This thread has droned on for more than a year and you haven't budged a smidgen from where you were at the begining.

And, in all that time, you have yet to post a single piece of verifiable evidence.

Res ipsa loquitur.
 
If humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes ?

If GOD does not believe in atheist do they still exist ?


Nothing is designed without a designer.
Call the designer what you want.
 
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Yes and almost certainly.
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Wonderfull, a definitive opinion!
Ok, HOW would it affect your daily life, why is it so important?

Outside the religious realm of eternal punishment and bollocks, your quest for peace of mind is so great that these things are the only relevant issues for you?

This is a key factor here, WHY do people need to know, WHY do they need to beleive in something, no matter how ludicrous.

Im not trying to sound sarcastic , i often come across that way, but its practically a miracle someone admits they "need" answers, which is a basic human condition imo, the price of being a sentient being.

How, and why, would it make a difference to know, is the question I pose.
 
Quote from acronym:

Wonderfull, a definitive opinion!
Ok, HOW would it affect your daily life, why is it so important?

Outside the religious realm of eternal punishment and bollocks, your quest for peace of mind is so great that these things are the only relevant issues for you?

This is a key factor here, WHY do people need to know, WHY do they need to beleive in something, no matter how ludicrous.

Im not trying to sound sarcastic , i often come across that way, but its practically a miracle someone admits they "need" answers, which is a basic human condition imo, the price of being a sentient being.

How, and why, would it make a difference to know, is the question I pose.
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Actually, there was a very recent study released showing that religious practices tend to make people happier and healthier.

So, while I don't subscribe to religious practice, it apparently provides a selective advantage for those who do.

A supreme irony.
 
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the most ironic thing about this whole argument is that scientists , by-and-large, devote themselves to one idea ... perfection.... an idea laymen and the devout refer to as god
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Total rubbish, scientists are just engineers, working on problems/solutions, finding out stuff no other bastard has the skills to find out.

Perfection is bollocks, an engineers approach is to find what works, what is practical, what actually helps the physical reality.

Perfection does not enter the equation, THAT is left to hippy koomba-ah spiritualists, religious freaks and the almightylly (thats not an actual word, is it) unenlightened.

Absolute piffle, your argument is rubbish.

Your an apoligist for the great unwashed, stoopid, half witted retards of the world, well great. Just great.

Hope that goes well for you.
 
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Actually, there was a very recent study released showing that religious practices tend to make people happier and healthier.

So, while I don't subscribe to religious practice, it apparently provides a selective advantage for those who do.

A supreme irony.
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Thanks for your not very specific response kjent, i can show you studies that can prove virtually anything, including alien/ufo presence.

Forgive me, if i take things with a grain of salt or ten on this thread, (arrrgh-even thats a biblical reference) but i never said the power of faith could not produce physical results.

The stranglehold on faith, any variety, exercised by the sick death cults of islam and christianity need to be addressed, it is impossible there isnt a better, more practical answer to these bizarre cults.

Thats what im saying.
 
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Total rubbish, scientists are just engineers, working on problems/solutions, finding out stuff no other bastard has the skills to find out.

Perfection is bollocks, an engineers approach is to find what works, what is practical, what actually helps the physical reality.

Perfection does not enter the equation, THAT is left to hippy koomba-ah spiritualists, religious freaks and the almightylly (thats not an actual word, is it) unenlightened.

Absolute piffle, your argument is rubbish.

Your an apoligist for the great unwashed, stoopid, half witted retards of the world, well great. Just great.

Hope that goes well for you.
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If you disagree with neophyte321 why don't you just come out and say so?
 
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Perfection does not enter the equation, THAT is left to hippy koomba-ah spiritualists, religious freaks and the almightylly (thats not an actual word, is it) unenlightened.
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Its a perfectly mad world built on a mad premise. All its "laws" are insane. Gravity? Insane! It does not enter the equation of perfection. Yet, beyond it entirely, perfection stands unharmed, unchanged. Be ye perfect, then, even as our Father in Heaven is perfect.

Jesus
 
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