Nothing even resembling a logical or scientific proof in any of your gobbledygook...
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Intelligent Design is not creationism
- Thread starter Teleologist
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The explanation of some numerical coincidences will necessarily be that most of the multiverse is uninhabitable, but in some very tiny fraction conditions are fine-tuned enough for intelligent life to form.
That's the dangerous idea and it is spreading like a cancer. " Leonard Susskind
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What are the numerical coincidences? its the appearance of design.
What is his solution - a multiverse with so many billions of universes that ours no longer can deemed designed.
That's the dangerous idea and it is spreading like a cancer. " Leonard Susskind
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What are the numerical coincidences? its the appearance of design.
What is his solution - a multiverse with so many billions of universes that ours no longer can deemed designed.
answer from Susskind
I doubt that physicists will see it that way. If, for some unforeseen reason, the landscape turns out to be inconsistent - maybe for mathematical reasons, or because it disagrees with observation - I am pretty sure that physicists will go on searching for natural explanations of the world. But I have to say that if that happens, as things stand now we will be in a very awkward position. Without any explanation of nature's fine-tunings we will be hard pressed to answer the ID critics. One might argue that the hope that a mathematically unique solution will emerge is as faith-based as ID.
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do you see what he is saying.
if the billions of universe explanation is wrong - without any explanation of natures fine-tunings we will be hard pressed to answer the ID critics.
I doubt that physicists will see it that way. If, for some unforeseen reason, the landscape turns out to be inconsistent - maybe for mathematical reasons, or because it disagrees with observation - I am pretty sure that physicists will go on searching for natural explanations of the world. But I have to say that if that happens, as things stand now we will be in a very awkward position. Without any explanation of nature's fine-tunings we will be hard pressed to answer the ID critics. One might argue that the hope that a mathematically unique solution will emerge is as faith-based as ID.
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do you see what he is saying.
if the billions of universe explanation is wrong - without any explanation of natures fine-tunings we will be hard pressed to answer the ID critics.
Logical questions for those obviously logically impaired:
Is it a logical fallacy to assume design in the absence of specific knowledge of a designer? Must a designer be known to conclude design at work?
Is a computer generated program knowable without knowledge of the programmer?
Can computers be programmed to generate output that appears for all practical purposes as "random?"
Programmed randomness is still a function of design...
Is it a logical fallacy to assume design in the absence of specific knowledge of a designer? Must a designer be known to conclude design at work?
Is a computer generated program knowable without knowledge of the programmer?
Can computers be programmed to generate output that appears for all practical purposes as "random?"
Programmed randomness is still a function of design...
It's time to start thinking in terms of intelligent plot.
It will require a mind like Sherlock Holmes.
One thing for sure, you will not look at the evidence you do not want to see.
Some of the evidence is evident in this thread: The universe confuses you.
Have you ever stopped to think that is what it is for?
The secret of salvation is this: that you are doing this to yourself.
Hence, you shut your eyes to the evidence.
Salvation is a secret you have kept but from yourself.
The universe proclaims it so.
Yet to it's witnesses you pay no heed at all.
It's witnesses attest to the thing you do not want to know.
They seem to keep it secret from you.
Yet you need only learn you chose not to listen, not to see.
You will perceive the world differently when you lay guilt on no one, not even yourself. The world's innocence does not depend on your guilt, nor does your innocence depend on it's guilt.
This is the obvious.
This is the secret kept from no one but yourself.
Lay guilt aside, and you will see what makes the world.
And you will see who you are.
Jesus
It will require a mind like Sherlock Holmes.
One thing for sure, you will not look at the evidence you do not want to see.
Some of the evidence is evident in this thread: The universe confuses you.
Have you ever stopped to think that is what it is for?
The secret of salvation is this: that you are doing this to yourself.
Hence, you shut your eyes to the evidence.
Salvation is a secret you have kept but from yourself.
The universe proclaims it so.
Yet to it's witnesses you pay no heed at all.
It's witnesses attest to the thing you do not want to know.
They seem to keep it secret from you.
Yet you need only learn you chose not to listen, not to see.
You will perceive the world differently when you lay guilt on no one, not even yourself. The world's innocence does not depend on your guilt, nor does your innocence depend on it's guilt.
This is the obvious.
This is the secret kept from no one but yourself.
Lay guilt aside, and you will see what makes the world.
And you will see who you are.
Jesus
The world - all the multiverses and all dimensions of time and space and consciousness...these are an effect...these are the second part of a dream.
The cause of this dream is in the first part, which involved an attack.
Upon who?
No one asleep and dreaming in the world remembers his attack upon himself.
No one believes there really was a time when he knew nothing of a body, and could never have conceived this world as real.
How serious the ideas behind this world seem to be!
And no one can remember when they would have met with laughter and with disbelief.
We can remember if we look directly at the cause. And we will see grounds for laughter, not a cause for fear.
The attack begins when a loss caused such grief that you feel compelled to blame.
Compare the loss to a trillion dollar account that you lose on a single stupid trade.
That gives you some idea how you felt when you thought you separated from God.
Your natural state is oneness. So if you are to blame, you must make artificial divisions in your mind, and blame other parts of your mind.
This leads to fragmentation, separation, compartmentalization, privatization, inequality, duality, denial, and the idea that you can have secret thoughts.
Pretty much everything that makes up the world.
The "big bang" begins the staging for all of these themes to play out.
Bodies are the symbol of the idea that mind can separate into private apartments...and cast blame out. To cast out, you need an "out there" somewhere.
This is the beginning of the great projection, and the blame game.
It's about guilt.
Deny guilt, and the universe(s) will disappear as in a puff of smoke.
They are completely made-up in your mind.
To value the universe is to value the guilt that holds time in a linear mode for you.
The truth is that no one is guilty for the loss you think you suffered.
You cannot be separated from God, so you have lost nothing.
So you must be dreaming.
What is a dream?
Nothing!
Jesus
The cause of this dream is in the first part, which involved an attack.
Upon who?
No one asleep and dreaming in the world remembers his attack upon himself.
No one believes there really was a time when he knew nothing of a body, and could never have conceived this world as real.
How serious the ideas behind this world seem to be!
And no one can remember when they would have met with laughter and with disbelief.
We can remember if we look directly at the cause. And we will see grounds for laughter, not a cause for fear.
The attack begins when a loss caused such grief that you feel compelled to blame.
Compare the loss to a trillion dollar account that you lose on a single stupid trade.
That gives you some idea how you felt when you thought you separated from God.
Your natural state is oneness. So if you are to blame, you must make artificial divisions in your mind, and blame other parts of your mind.
This leads to fragmentation, separation, compartmentalization, privatization, inequality, duality, denial, and the idea that you can have secret thoughts.
Pretty much everything that makes up the world.
The "big bang" begins the staging for all of these themes to play out.
Bodies are the symbol of the idea that mind can separate into private apartments...and cast blame out. To cast out, you need an "out there" somewhere.
This is the beginning of the great projection, and the blame game.
It's about guilt.
Deny guilt, and the universe(s) will disappear as in a puff of smoke.
They are completely made-up in your mind.
To value the universe is to value the guilt that holds time in a linear mode for you.
The truth is that no one is guilty for the loss you think you suffered.
You cannot be separated from God, so you have lost nothing.
So you must be dreaming.
What is a dream?
Nothing!
Jesus
What is he saying ?Quote from jem:
do you see what he is saying.
if the billions of universe explanation is wrong - without any explanation of natures fine-tunings we will be hard pressed to answer the ID critics.
...No billions of universes explanation minus any other explanation equals no explanation
Some place in there you see intelligent design ??
Quote from stu:
They say... lunatic asylums usually have 3 Jesus resident at any one time
Lunatic asylum...the world...same thing.
The truth will set you free.
The world but demonstrates an ancient truth:
You will believe that others do to you exactly what you think you did to them.
Before the big bang, you think you attacked others.
Now you think others can and will attack you.
Electing a Republican won't solve this problem.
Bodies were dreamed up for the purpose of attack.
In them, you think you can attack, and you think you can be attacked. Without them, you could never maintain the illusion that you are vulnerable in any way.
Jesus