Intelligent Design is not creationism

Teleologist · Dec 12, 2006

Stu wrote:

ID similar to SETI? What? By your own description ID is nothing like SETI. SETI is searching for something where it could be.

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. ID is similar to SETI. SETI is a search for man-made-like objects found in places where man could never have made them. An example of such an object is a narrowband radio signal like those generated by man's radio transmitters but coming from another planet. So far as I know, the serious SETI people are not attempting to detect a god or some alien creature wildly different from man.

The ID approach is similar. But instead of radio technology, we're dealing with biotechnology/nanotechnology.

james_bond_3rd · Dec 12, 2006

Quote from Teleologist:

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. ID is similar to SETI. SETI is a search for man-made-like objects found in places where man could never have made them. An example of such an object is a narrowband radio signal like those generated by man's radio transmitters but coming from another planet. So far as I know, the serious SETI people are not attempting to detect a god or some alien creature wildly different from man.

The ID approach is similar. But instead of radio technology, we're dealing with biotechnology/nanotechnology.

You're joking, right? This guy can't be serious. I'm having a hard time controlling my laugh.

SETI is an acronym. Do you know how to spell it out?

Do you know what biotechnology is? Do you know what nanotechnology is? Why do any of these have anything to do with the origin of life?

stu · Dec 12, 2006

Quote from Teleologist:

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

...am I ?
ID = Intelligent Designer(s) Something / someone intelligent -which created everything In other words God in ET's clothing.
SETI = search for extra-terrestrial intelligence. No mention of (God) designers or creators.

Teleologist · Dec 12, 2006

ID has nothing to do with God.

stu · Dec 12, 2006

Quote from Teleologist:

ID has nothing to do with God.

then it is nothing that isn't already being done a lot more reliably by science. Or alternatively, is ID some kind of art form?

Teleologist · Dec 12, 2006

Once again. The hypothetical example of a Mount Rushmore-like structure being found on Mars is provided solely to refute the claim of ID critics that a design inference is thwarted by infinite regress or failing to identify the designer. The example of SETI works as well. Are the ID critics claiming that a signal from space consisting of a long series of consecutive prime numbers would fail to count as evidence of intelligent design because the identity of the sender was unknown?

ZZZzzzzzzz · Dec 12, 2006

Same old argument, "if we can't measure it, if we can't comprehend it, it doesn't exist..."

So sayeth the non ID ostrich, who thinks his head in the sand produced darkness vanquishes the enemy.

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

You don't even understand where your problem is. It is illogical to ask what is before time starts. If there is no time, there is no "before" or "after." You're reading Hawking wrong. I don't need a source to confirm my "speculation." You can go read the past 20 years of Physical Review and the Astrophysics Journal. If you don't want to or don't understand it, I don't have the obligation to teach you.

The so-called "current laws" is a fleeting boundary. New discoveries are changing it everyday. Your fixation of Hawking's 20 year old comment shows your ignorance of science.

ZZZzzzzzzz · Dec 12, 2006

stu declares himself the "winner" by telling jem he is the "loser."

Same old stu, assuming first in circular logic fashion to reach his conclusions...

Yep stuey, you are always good for a laugh!

LOL!

Quote from stu:

you're a poor loser jem... always have been

Teleologist · Dec 12, 2006

James Bond:

Do you know what biotechnology is? Do you know what nanotechnology is? Why do any of these have anything to do with the origin of life?

I suspect that if scientists succeed in creating life from non-life they will accomplish it through bioengineering and/or nanotechnology. Likewise for seeding other planets with life. If this is a possible future then I see no reason this couldn't have been how life began on earth.

james_bond_3rd · Dec 12, 2006

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

Same old argument, "if we can't measure it, if we can't comprehend it, it doesn't exist..."

So sayeth the non ID ostrich, who thinks his head in the sand produced darkness vanquishes the enemy.

What happened to your snowflake "self?" Did it change into H2O without a command from God?