Quote from yip1997:
It seems that we have different definition of "intelligence". "Intelligent" is not the same as "perfect". Being intelligent doesn't mean that one can't make mistakes. You guys are intelligent, but you all have made mistakes in your life. Have you done anything that you regret now?
Ask the top software engineers you know and they will tell you they have re-written their codes, or they will like to rewrite their old codes if they have the time to do so. Ask the top engineers in Microsoft if they want to rewrite their OS.
If we change the topic to "God and extinctions", I might agree with some of your arguments.
Is God perfect? I don't know! In a "perfect" world, there is no such concept as being inperfect.
Is God "improving"? I don't know!
What is the definition of "God"? What is "God"? We need to agree on the meanings of God before we can continue the meaningful discussion on "God and extinctions".
This train of thought is very reasonable. Reason is a superior kind of logic, one that can lead to truth.
There is another kind of logic that is not really reasonable because it has preconceived notions about what the outcome, or what the answer must be. This forces the biased logician to use all of it's intelligence to make it's answer fit it's premise.
Likewise, this world is built on a premise. It happens to be a false premise. So whatever is going to be built on it is going to be logical, but not reasonable.
The premise is "new". It's never been tried before this...never existed before this...
still does not exist. If anything is going to be built on this premise, it must be "learned", and the lessons must be believed. In this case, necessity is the mother of invention. The premise itself conjures up a "need"...a sense of urgency, which calls for a solution which is a kind of "salvation". The urgency of the problem calls forth ingenuity.
The result is a solution that is ingenious, but false, because it is built entirely on a false premise. Along the way, there is a learning process involving mistakes. The premise itself is a mistake. All attempts to adjust to the premise are therefore mistakes. And the final product is a mistake.
One can hardly blame the intelligence, or question it's perfection. It was given a mistake to work with, and gave a mistaken answer. The answer was perfect...albeit, perfectly mistaken. The intelligence "learned" to make a mistake. This implies the intelligence is imperfect and dumb. But how else would the unknown be fleshed out unless it were learned?
God is perfect. And he too creates upon premises. Learning and ingenuity are not processes he involves in true creation, because he never creates upon false premises. It's not his "will" to do so. If you look at this world, you can understand why it would not be his will to build on a false premise. He is not cruel.
The results of a world built on a false premise can only be described as true or false, wanted or not wanted. To say much more than that simply adds fuel to the fire, adding 'reality' to something that does not really exist...no matter how much ingenuity "proves" it so. And this is why the terms "good" or "evil" are avoided by those attempting to extricate themselves from "the tangled web we weave, when at first we do deceive".
God is perfect. When he creates, he gives everything. If you happen to be one of his creations, you are given all power and the unlimited use of an unlimited mind. You would not even be his creation without your consent. Once yours, this mind will give you what you ask for. But if you ask a 'dumb' question, you'll get a 'dumb' answer.
This world is the answer to a really dumb question...so dumb you could call it "insane". The question was something like, "What am I?". The question is insane because all of God's creations know what they are, and are certain about it. Therefore, to answer the question incorrectly, the questioner must conjure up a sense of doubt by playing mind games. If the game has never been played before, there is a certain amount of curiosity that initiates it, for it steps into the unknown. Once the question is answered, there is no more curiosity, and the question will never be asked again.
And that is why this world will pass away, never to return. Relative to eternity, this world has already passed away. It came and went like a unidentified blip on a radar screen, like a flash in the pan, like a green flash at sunset. A single instant was all it took to make and unmake it.
Therefore, everything you see and experience is in the past. It is the answer to a curious question in which the answer was briefly considered something of value. Seen for what it is, it is looked at and let go, like a sea shell you pick up, look at and decide you do not want.
There is a very good reason the effects of this curiosity still linger as an experience for what you consider to be 'you'...which is not what you are. It's a sign of respect, that you have not yet satisfied your curiosity regarding the original question, "What am I?"
The answer that builds this world goes something like, "I am not my Father's Son." This is the false premise that leads to an urgent sense of need. This answer is fearful. So the world is built out of fear, and remains a fearful place. It is not built to increase fear. It is an ingenious attempt to decrease fear. It is like a defense system, overbuilt to defend against a retaliatory strike that seems ominously inevitable. The experience of war illustrates how, when intelligent minds are given problems to solve with a sense of urgency, it leads to ingenious technological applications...like the internet. These are converted to peaceful, civilized means. But the cold war continues...for those who yet cherish incorrect answers.
This world is built by the Son as a defense against a retaliatory strike by his Father. The premise is false. It is not reasonable. There is no "need". The premise requires that the Son deny reality to answer the question. This leads to delusion. The world is the experience of a mind driven mad by guilt. It is not guilty, so there is no need for a defense.
Once the truth comes to the mind that makes this world, defense mechanisms are laid down, and the world passes away. But not before swords are turned into plowshares. Everything that was made as a weapon will be converted to the use of undoing what seems to have been done. The body, made for attack, is instead given the purpose of communication. It communicates messages like, "The war is over. We can go home now. There is only peace."
This is all to say that the "logic" and the feelings that make this world still pervade it, hidden, just underneath the surface. The breaking of the mind into levels of sub, and deep sub conscious levels has served to hide the insane logic and the awful feelings that make this world. Surface awareness is actually a buffered awareness. It mitigates the sense of urgency and fear this world is built on.
Thus, physicality is part of the ingenious solution the intelligent designer came up with. Physicality is a "new" level of mind that serves to sweep the original problem under the rug. The dirt is still there, it just can't be seen while the mind is distracted by surface problems. Physicality, then, maintains the false premise. In other words, it is a house built on the sand.
A house built on the sand will need constant maintanance. It requires the services of
Stuwards whose logic resembles the logic that builds the world in the first place. If you stop maintaining it, it will fall. If you are interested in building on bedrock, it doesn't matter if the house falls. It can't be saved anyway. Take the time to dig down to bedrock. Ask reasonable questions, and wait for the correct answers. "I don't know" is an excellent method of waiting for the truth to be revealed, that you might build on it.
Jesus
