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Wow so many well timed hit pieces by these news outlets just in time for the Virginia gun grab...

comagnum said:
Self protection from a firearm? What is the mob looking for you?

When you bring a gun into your home you chances of being killed with it go up sharply and if you have kids 5-14 they are >11 times more likely of being killed with it.

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/18000520/gun-risk-death
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I hope you appreciate the irony of citing vox, a leftist news outlet with an interest in spinning fake news articles out that spread fear, as your source and then following up with a second post on "do your own DD".

I'll leave some links for people that want to do actual DD:

Gun Facts cites FBI crime statistics with links. This is probably the single most comprehensive gun myth busting website on the internet.

Suicides account for the majority of gun deaths. You can even see in this article firearms deaths have been trending down since 1993 - despite what the looney left will tell you.

An insignificant amount of CCW holders commit crimes worthy of revoking their ability to carry a firearm for self defense.

Less than 5% of counties in America account for over 50% of gun crime. But yes, of course because politicians don't believe in data, it's spun into an "epidemic of proportion we've never seen before".

Most crimes are committed with handguns - yet the only guns ever talked about are the mythical and non-existent "assault weapons". You will also see here most stolen guns are handguns.


I could keep going. But the data shows year after year, time after time, guns are not the problem. The fake news media and the looney left spins gun fear into articles like this because it scares people, and scared people read articles, watch news, and most important vote. Every single gun grabber lies through the abuse and misrepresentation of statistics. Every single one.


Now repeat after me: Shall Not Be Infringed.
 
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comagnum said:
Surprised this is to hard of a concept for you to grasp. Do your own DD and you see this is based on hard facts. Here is one source:

2014 review in the Annals of Internal Medicine - concluded having a firearm in the home, even when it’s properly stored, doubles your risk of becoming a victim of homicide and triples the risk of suicide.

Bowing out of the gun debate since so many are brandished by the NRA. Guns are like a religion to so many in the U.S.. In gun debates the gun fanatics will go from talking about protection to threatening to kill you... probably with a gun.
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American Academy of Pediatrics is one source you quoted. Well of COURSE they are going to report a high rate of death regarding firearms and children, because they are going to report deaths of children from firearms by accident.

What organizations like these and every other twisted and anti-gun biased organization fails to report is the granularity of the statistics of the success of self defense.

How many of these "homicides" in the home were self-defense cases? Do not be blinded by the fluff pieces the anti-gun media chooses to run for their own agenda.

How many unreported incidents of self-defense with a firearm are there, where there is no police report because there was no firing of the firearm? Where the presence of the weapon itself was a deterrent to there being a firearm injury?

It is an unresolvable debate, because there are too many variables in the data to come to a conclusion.

...2014 review in the Annals of Internal Medicine - concluded having a firearm in the home, even when it’s properly stored, doubles your risk of becoming a victim of homicide ...
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So how, praytell, does having a properly-secured firearm in the home lead to a doubled risk of being a victim of homicide? Does the 2014 review state how this can happen?

Do they mean that if your home is invaded by armed intruders and you do not have a firearm, there is less likely to be a homicide, because you will not have the ability to try to defend yourself? I call bullshit on that.
 
Here is an estimated breakdown of how people will die in the United States this year.

  • Death by a person controlling a gun: 31,000
  • Death by Car Accident: 32,000
  • Death by Suicide: 38,000
  • Death by Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,000
  • Death by Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,000
  • Death by Diabetes: 69,000
  • Death by Alzheimer’s: 83,000
  • Death by Accidents: 121,00
  • Death by Stroke: 129,000
  • Death by Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,000
  • Death by Cancer: 575,000
  • Death by Heart disease: 598,000
  • Death by a person choosing to abort her baby: 1,212,000

Note: I am for gun control but I understand why many needed guns for their protection.
 
2012 data: old data.


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comagnum said:
Nothing flawed about it - the statistics are comprised of coroners & law enforcement records. The FBI also has statistics on this - do your own DD.

Surprised this is to hard of a concept for you to grasp. Do your own DD and you see this is based on hard facts. Here is one source:

2014 review in the Annals of Internal Medicine - concluded having a firearm in the home, even when it’s properly stored, doubles your risk of becoming a victim of homicide and triples the risk of suicide.

Bowing out of the gun debate since so many are brandished by the NRA. Guns are like a religion to so many in the U.S.. In gun debates the gun fanatics will go from talking about protection to threatening to kill you... probably with a gun.
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You're arguing with the deaf and the blind. Australia already proved how more guns does not equal more safety.

What I also notice is how most Americans have this "good guys vs. bad guys" mentality which is based on Hollywood, not reality. A "good guy" can become the "bad guy" in a number of situations within seconds -- plenty of cases of spouses killing each other, minor traffic arguments becoming murder cases etc.
Whenever someone "boils over" and loses it, adding a gun to the mix is a recipe for disaster.

For myself, I know of at least a few situations where I might have grabbed a gun, luckily I didn't have availability or I might be locked up. This applies to all people. Ask the guys who are in jail for murder because they had a gun during a minor dispute.
 
carrer said:
Here is an estimated breakdown of how people will die in the United States this year.

  • Death by a person controlling a gun: 31,000
  • Death by Car Accident: 32,000
  • Death by Suicide: 38,000
  • Death by Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,000
  • Death by Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,000
  • Death by Diabetes: 69,000
  • Death by Alzheimer’s: 83,000
  • Death by Accidents: 121,00
  • Death by Stroke: 129,000
  • Death by Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,000
  • Death by Cancer: 575,000
  • Death by Heart disease: 598,000
  • Death by a person choosing to abort her baby: 1,212,000

Note: I am for gun control but I understand why many needed guns for their protection.
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Many need guns for protection? Then explain one simple fact to me - why are almost all other western countries safer than US?

Also, what are you trying to say with the stats? Because heart disease kills so many, we shouldn't bother with car safety regulation because hey, it's only a fraction of the former?
 
d08 said:
. Guns in civilian hands do not. You can disagree all you want but the fact remains that the rest of the western world does not freely hand assault weapons to civilians and contrary to your theory, these countries have less crime and fewer homicides.
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Hmmm....what about Switzerland?
 
d08 said:
Many need guns for protection? Then explain one simple fact to me - why are almost all other western countries safer than US?

Also, what are you trying to say with the stats? Because heart disease kills so many, we shouldn't bother with car safety regulation because hey, it's only a fraction of the former?
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It's their first amendment. That's what they wanted. Some just want to hunt.

Some places prohibit smoking, some don't.
Some places prohibit drinking, some don't.
These all could kill a person, directly or indirectly. But ultimately, it's what they wanted.

Note: I am for gun control and I don't condone killing/hunting, smoking or drinking.
 
I would just like to note for the record, that these ET posts have covered the entire 'gun debate' in a mere two pages, and in a fairly respectful tone. A big Thumb's Up to all. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
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