Quote from TSGannGalt:
Hrrrmmm...
Here's a few things about inside information:
1. Most pre-news trades rarely occur these days. It attracts a lot of attention and the watchers usually takes a look at who's making those trades. There are smarter ways to utilize inside information without getting all the attention = moving the market. It's pretty much the same thing as trying to keep your orders anonymous using Dark Pool and Algo. Orders.
I used to have my own book at a large Investment Bank, trading as their in-house internal HF. Prior to that, I ran a HF with a bunch of monkey marketers. And prior to that, I traded and developed models for HFs... I've traded and currently trade in an environment between retail and institution. Anyways, my knowledge about "institutions" are 1st hand.
2. 100% of what the institution does, can be done by individuals or independent traders. (please note that I didn't use the word "retail"...)
3. There's plenty of unsophisticated traders in institutions. I know a $200M+ CTA using Tradestation to test their models. There are individuals who are using 30U+ Linux grid just to test their models. There are as many variance of style between institutions as there are with individuals. Though, one thing I can note with Investment bank is that the senior traders teach and mold their newbies to becoming sophisticated. If you're in a prop., most people and firms are out for themselves. In an institution, you'll be working in a team environment.
4. There are prop. divisions in banks where they let the traders trade a specific amount of money like a regular prop. with salary. Those small group of traders get together as an internal hedge fund and grows into a marketed fund....
Plenty of other stuff but my point is...
Most of the conspiracy theories about institutions are wrong.
Awesome. We agree to disagree. Because you worked for 1 or 2 institutions hardly qualifies you to make a blanket statement about the entire institutional investment/trading atmosphere. BTW I'm not a conspiracy theorist in regard to institutions or much for that matter.
In regards to ADPI and the multiple other situations that I've participated/observed over the past 2 1/2 years of my short professional trading career, I have no clue who was on the other side of any of those trades...I can't say that it matters to me at all.
I just know that when I see level 1 and level 2 bids/offers moving in a particular way in conjunction with the price and there is no news....there probably is news and we just don't know it yet. I'm a prop trader and we trade in teams...and you're right that isn't the norm in the prop world.
What isn't implicit in saying that a buyer/seller is sophisticated is that the buyer/seller is institutional or otherwise. For all I know, it's someone's automated system on the other side of our trading floor...but probably not.
Anyways you sound much older than me. I'm only 26 and this is all that I've done since I graduated college. You probably know more about all this other stuff anyway. I'm not out for an argument about something I have very limited knowledge about.
