Informal Poll of the educated

[bigdavediode]

Quote from bugscoe:

Wow. How about you demonstrate, with math, how Obama's math will further this country?

By increasing the deficit less than McCain's proposal. Bloomberg reported about McCain's proposal that he has insufficient cuts to offset his spending increases "[e]conomists and nonpartisan analysts say his numbers don't add up."

They went on to report "McCain's spending cuts, combined with increased revenue from economic growth, total $1.5 trillion over eight years, leaving a $1.8 trillion net increase to the national debt" and quoted Joel Slemrod, an economist specializing in tax policy at the University of Michigan, as saying, "This is really a massive increase in the deficit."

Another quote (Republicans like to discuss the increases from Obama without the corresponding and offsetting taxes and spending cuts:

"The Tax Policy Center estimates that Obama's proposals could cost the government up to $2.9 trillion in revenue over 10 years. McCain's could cost as much as $4.2 trillion."

 

[NeoRio1]

Typical political forum. First of all there is the unknowable opinion and speculation that white voters arn't voting for Obama. Then there is the typical response of putting up the three most out landish people that are voting for McCain which are white. Neither opinions and speculations show any evidence and importance whatsoever in defining who is going to vote for whoooooooo. No i am rambling and no i am officially throwing this thread in the trash because it belongs no where but there.

Let me ask you all of a question. Imagine your a fundamental investor at a mutual fund. I know sounds scary but just try it. In order to speculate on whether a company is going to go up or down in the next coming years they observe the important aspects of each company. Simply observing useless jargon and pointless opinions of certain companies through individuals that are uneducated about the company is a losing strategy.

 

[jem]

Quote from insider trading:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...d-non-religious-voters-carry-obama-in-oregon/

Schneider: College educated, non-religious voters carry Obama
Posted: 11:14 PM ET

From CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider

(CNN) – CNN just predicted Obama will win the Oregon primary. How did the Illinois senator win there so easily?

Obama won overwhelming support from Oregon voters who attended college. Nearly 60 percent of that demographic went for Obama there and those voters made up nearly 80 percent of the demographic.




http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/feb/07/demographics-split-hillary-obama-vote/




"Barack Obama continued to do well among voters who are younger, better-educated and wealthier; he solidified his support among African-Americans; and he ran strongly among men, including white men," said William A. Galston, a senior fellow for governance studies at the Brookings Institution.




http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2008/04/pa-primary-what.html




Numbers
A Run at the Latest Data from ABC's Poobah of Polling, Gary Langer


EDUCATION - It’s hard see a single factor more compelling than socioeconomic status, particularly as defined by education. It’s split the Democratic electorate nearly all year, and as with her past victories, it’s what Hillary Clinton will be counting on tomorrow.

Across primaries to date Obama’s won college graduates by 52-43 percent, while Clinton’s won less-educated voters by a very similar 52-42. The picture sharpens among whites only (there’s no difference by education among blacks): White college graduates have split 47-47 percent, while those with no college degree have gone 2-1 for Clinton, 60-31 percent.




http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/05/03/politics/p072344D62.DTL



Polls: Less-educated whites hurt Obama


According to an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll in April, the certain Republican presidential nominee John McCain would get more votes than Hillary Rodham Clinton from white voters who have not finished college, 43 percent to 30 percent. Barack Obama would do even worse than Clinton, trailing McCain with this group 44 percent to 22 percent. McCain has a 23-percentage point lead against Clinton among whites who have graduated college, but just an eight-point margin over Obama with that group.

DEMOCRATIC CONTEST TAKES ITS TOLL

Obama was viewed unfavorably in April by 53 percent of whites without college degrees, up from 41 percent in November's AP-Yahoo poll. Clinton's negative ratings with that group have not really changed, but have not gotten better, either. Fifty-seven percent of these voters had unfavorable views of Clinton in November, and 55 percent did in April. McCain's negative views from them sat at 32 percent both months.

HOW RACE AND EDUCATION AFFECT THE RACE

Exit polls of voters in last month's Pennsylvania Democratic primary show the impact of racial attitudes. Forty-seven percent of whites without college degrees who said race was an important factor in choosing a candidate said they would vote for Obama in an Obama-McCain matchup, with 29 percent saying they would back McCain and 20 percent saying they would not vote. Obama gets the votes of 62 percent of whites who have not finished college who said race was not a factor.

Among white college graduates, 69 percent who said race is a factor said they would vote for Obama. Eighty-one percent who said race is not important would back him.

IT'S ALSO ABOUT AGE ...

According to the AP-Yahoo poll, 22 percent of whites who have not finished college are under age 30, compared to 29 percent that young with college degrees. Also, 19 percent of the less-educated whites are age 65 or more, compared to 10 percent of those with degrees who are that old. Both mean advantages for Clinton, who attracts older voters.

... AND INCOME

Sixty-one percent of whites without college degrees are from households earning less than $50,000 a year, compared to 47 percent who have finished college. And only 6 percent of whites with less than a college education earn more than $100,000 annually, compared to 17 percent with degrees. Obama tends to attract the most affluent voters, Clinton the poorest.

YES, IT'S A PROBLEM

Other surveys also illustrate Obama's problem with less-educated white voters. A poll released last week by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center showed that Clinton's lead over Obama among whites who have not completed college, which was 10 percentage points in March, has grown to 40 points. And another by Quinnipiac University showed that while Clinton tied Republican candidate John McCain among these voters in Florida and had slight leads in Ohio and Pennsylvania, McCain had sizable leads over Obama with them in Florida and Ohio and a smaller one in Pennsylvania.

See how slanted that crap is.. They spoke of democrats and people from oregon the most ass backward liberal state in the union.

So we have some of the dumbest libs on et here - attempting to put down real observations because. I suspect most of them don't have a pot to piss in.

What you are not getting is I am married have kids and choose to live in areas with good public schools. Housing is therefore expensive and you need to making good money. People who make good money and live in the suburbs are mostly republican, most frequently white and frequently in the expensive suburbs mostly well educated.

These educated people rarely vote for democrats.


If you wish to argue with my observations break it down.

Show me stats of who college educated voters supported in the last presidential election...

Then show me stats for post grads.

I could give two shits about how it breaks down within the democratic party.

 

[hughb]

San Diego is a red city, even though California is a blue state. I had a friend who was a high level staffer on Bill Clinton's re-election campaign before he moved out here to San Diego. He moved here a little before the Bush/Kerry election. So I asked him if he was working on the Kerry campaign and he said he wasn't. I thought it was surprising but I didn't press for details. A few weeks later I brought it up again and he said he was leaving San Diego because he simply could not get a base of Democrats together here, the city was too conservative. That's just one person's perspective, like the OP is just one person's perspective.

 

[jem]

by the way props to hughb on letting the libs on this board in on something they did not understand.

If the libs on this board were to get out of their housing projects and run down apartments they will realize that the liberal policies supported by their liberal city politicians drove people with money and education out to suburbia. .

it should also be noted - I suspect Obama will get some votes from educated people who were once Reagan republicans...



What I take issue with is democrats acting like they are the "educated " party.

I have seen no legitimate stats which support that claim 1 day before the election. The sites which try to make those claims seem to argue percent of educated democrats vs. percent of education republicans.

Which if you think about it supports my contention. Why? because they are manipulating the data.

Why not just give us the raw data. How many americans with college educations are dems vs reps. or how many with grad degrees? How many are not government workers? etc.

 

[gnome]

Quote from bigdavediode:

I always find it ironic that people who voted for the war don't want to pay for it.

Who "voted for war"? Iraq was ALL Bush... his personal war... at the expense of the American people.

At the rate you're spewing crap, suggest you change your name to "bigdaveLOAD".. as in PANTLOAD~!

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from gnome:

Who "voted for war"? Iraq was ALL Bush... his personal war... at the expense of the American people.

In 2004, every Republican voter.

At the rate you're spewing crap, suggest you change your name to "bigdaveLOAD".. as in PANTLOAD~!

Yeah, comedy is hard.

 

[gnome]

Quote from bigdavediode:

In 2004, every Republican voter.



Yeah, comedy is hard.

Oh yeah, like the people are going to rise up against the Gummint and demand we withdraw from our "war on terror"...